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In this episode Joel and Antonia dive deep into the needs and challenges of the INTP personality type.

In this podcast on the INTP personality type you’ll find:

INTP – Accuracy/Exploration in Genius system

INTPs have a crucial role that they play in our society. That task may seem a little thankless, which helps us understand some of the challenges they face.

Deep down inside, INTPs care more than they let on.

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The Driver for INTP is Introverted Thinking (Ti), which we have nicknamed “Accuracy.

What makes analytical sense? Decision-making process.

Driver = Flow State = the most rewarding thing you can do.

Ti works the best when it is without social obligation.

The opposite of Ti is Fe “Harmony.” Fe is about connecting and social interaction.

INTPs in the survey revealed their greatest challenge was in connecting with other people.

Copilot – Ne “Exploration” – is pattern recognition. Interaction with the environment without being attached to any outcome. A zoomed out process that allows you to explore your terrain.

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When Ti and Ne are combined it is a fascinating combo of zooming in (Ti – surgical approach to data) and zoomed out (Ne – an overall view of patterns).

Together, these cognitive functions create radically new ideas.

Creating patterns and frameworks and architecting new maps and models requires them to be a bit destructive – like Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction.

Ti works the best when removed from the social bias component.

Emotional connection influences info.

INTPs often show up saying things that other people don’t want to hear, which is their gift to the world.

They are the great destroyer of outdated paradigms or untruths.

INTPs will always look for the strictest vetting process in their chosen field.

We are such social creatures we don’t appreciate it when people call us on our BS/Belief Systems.

We make extraordinary technical strides when we overturn the social norm.

INTPs break things down to their fundamental nature and depersonalize them.

Sometimes frameworks only get so far, and they get stuck because they run out of new frameworks for ideas.

The copilot process for INTPs is Extraverted Intuition, which we have nicknamed “Exploration.”

Exploration gives INTPs access to bigger frameworks and increases their territory, so they have more structures to hang fresh data on.

It is imperative for INTPs to grow their Exploration process.

The alternative is to stick with what you already know. If you don’t take in more territory, your framework may be radically off because you are missing a vital piece of info that’s just outside your existing territory.

Exploration allows INTPs to go out and experience things. Travel is essential to INTPs.

Going outside their comfort zone is imperative. All growth happens outside the comfort zone.

Sometimes we graft our identity to old pieces of info and INTPs overturn the things with which we identify.

But the INTP must first go through the uncomfortable terrain of change and challenge before they can do it for others.

INTPs need to be students of experience, life, and interaction.

The Survey revealed the INTPs struggle with a lack of motivation.

The INTPs that have the greatest motivation have decided they are going to bring their gifts to the world.

The more somebody rests on their laurels and holds back the more they feel a lack of inspiration and motivation.

The 10-year-old process is Introverted Sensing, which we have nicknamed “Memory.”.

Memory often means doing the thing that is known and comfortable. Finding a familiar context and staying there perpetually.

Frameworks don’t expand with Si. So, INTPs double down on Ti and continue to clean slice concepts and data until things become absurd. Without the input from Ne, they keep dividing until there’s nothing left.

Emotion is the seat of motivation, which is an INTPs blind spot. If INTPs double down on their thinking process, they avoid the emotions that will get them motivated.

Emotion is about finding the meaning behind things.

Exploration helps expand frameworks of mind and increase the narratives with which INTPs work.

Why does the data matter?

Ne gives meaning to the data. Without meaning, there is no motivation.

To see the narratives of our lives we need to zoom out.

Get outside yourself and explore beyond your comfort zone.

INTPs can have belief systems.

INTPs love absurd humor. Monty Python. Sketch comedy.

Even falling in love is nothing but a narrative.

INTPS who do the best are the ones who connect with other people through contribution.

INTPs can appear cynical because society doesn’t always honor their gift of radical honesty.

The natural state of an INTP is to be childlike and approach life with wonder and curiosity. Then they get the message that they are unacceptable which leads to cynicism.

Nobody can sustain a feeling of brokenness indefinitely. They either become depressed or resentful.

“You are not broken.”

“You are okay.”

We are seeing more and more media acknowledging the role of geeks and people who influence our technological world.

We see their contribution, but they are harder to reconcile in our day to day life.

We love truth. It reverberates through our spinal cord.

Society is getting ready for entering into a space of radical honesty, but it still means pushing people outside their comfort zones.

Modern technology is forcing us into a state of transparency; most technology is invented by INTPs.

The more INTPs show up as doing their job of being radically honest, the more we will head toward transparency as a society.

In the past, honesty brought death.

We can’t have real harmony without radical honesty, and we can’t have radical honesty without the need to connect with others.

The 3-year-old process is Extraverted Feeling (Fe), which we have nicknamed “Harmony.”

Healthy INTPs can become almost worshiped. They show up with so much credibility. They haven’t rejected Fe, they made it part of their aspiration and decided to use it to make others happy. Their intent is positive.

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Agape – Principled love. We are all in this together.

INTP men/women at the top of their game have many admirers.

Sometimes by solving problems for themselves, an INTP can find a way to solve for a larger demographic.

Female INTPs feel isolated because most women are Fe dominant, and men are usually looking for women to behave a certain way.  

Spend more time in your copilot and understand why you struggle to fit in. Then go and find the context that will appreciate you for your gifts.

INTP women are polarizing. Birds of paradise. Not everyone’s going to love you, but some will and they are looking for you.

Pay for the privilege of finding your tribe. Conventions, Seminars, Cons, etc.

Online communities. Reddit.

 

 

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  • Denis Matei
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    Loved this podcast, I resonated enormously with the improv class INTP, I’m 23 and recently started doing research in socializing and talking to women. It is a painful process but extremely rewarding.

  • Wayne
    Reply

    Does Ti make it hard to “draw” out the actual framework in the mind? It is abstractly linked or drawed in the mind? Or is this a Ni thing?

  • SRQTom
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    As an INTP I found the description of part of my thought process as “depersonalizing everything” both informative and interesting. I don’t think of it myself as depersonalizing everything, but then again I don’t have the emotional attachments to my belief system in the way most other types do. I not only want to know the logic behind something [logic in the sense of how everything is working together], I NEED to know the logic behind something, otherwise I have no idea what to do in a particular situation. Unfortunately the only way I can do this is by breaking [or smashing] it down into its individual components and removing any emotional bias towards it.

    For example, In the past I’ve had people give me the growth advice of “noting things that need doing,” but when I tried to do this I came up with absolutely nothing. When I discussed this with someone they told me that the person who gave you this advice is probably expecting you to be able to walk into a room and see what needs to be done, or what needs to happen, and do it. But unless I know how a particular room is supposed to be functioning [the logic of it] I have no idea what needs to be done. Is it a living room? A dining room? Is there an event happening in this room? If so what type of event? These all have different functions and thus need different things and different set ups.

    What I don’t think people realize though is that we’re [and with “we” here I am referring to healthy INTPs] not smashing their belief system because we hate it [or them] or something. We’re smashing it because we want to find the weak points and strengthen them; we want to know how it works so that we can make it better, more stable, and able to stand up to all the attacks that life and people are going to throw at it.

    On the feeling like we’re broken part…I actually had this same opinion of myself growing up [I’m 31 now]; I just felt like I was broken. Everyone else seemed able to connect with other people and make friends and all that, but for some reason I couldn’t. I really wish I would have known about MBTI back then. It would have not only explained a lot, but also would have shown me what to do and how to grow.

    Thanks for this podcast, it was much appreciated.

  • Craig
    Reply

    I finally listened to this podcast, it is really good. As an INTP, the accuracy/exploration front seat passenger analogy helped for me to understand why I enjoy travel so much, and enjoy many other activities, all of which are outside of my comfort zone. As a stereotypical genius and geek, I have experienced all the struggles you discuss. Understanding my struggles in the light of a personality trait and not as byproduct of other traits, helps me explicitly address my shortcomings, and understand why some approaches work while others do not. Thanks also for motivating me to enter another discomfort zone – finding my tribe. Triple Nine Society helped a little, but that addressed just a small part of my whole. Thanks Antonia and Joel.

  • Ellen
    Reply

    The part about INTP offerings being rejected by others really resonated with me. You made this INTP female cry. #GettingInTouchWithMyInner3YearOld

    Also, the part about being looked at like an odd duck *really* resonated with me. I remember loving _The Ugly Duckling as a child_. You helped me understand why.

  • Daryl
    Reply

    WOW, this website is incredible! It’s really helping me understand myself more and validating many of my thoughts and observations about myself and the way I see world as an INTP. I am fascinated by your knowledge and incite of personalities and behavior. I can’t wait to explore more of how I can improve myself in areas that I am having difficulties with. Thank you for this website, for your open honest approach and the opportunity for me to participate.

  • Thomas
    Reply

    Hey guys, INTP here 🙂
    Thank you for the podcast 🙂

    I have (for now) just one thing to ask/criticize: 😀 (Nitpicking incoming 😀 )
    Could you please move the crosshair of the podcast/video a few pixels to the right or the brain a few pixels to the left 😀
    It’s very distracting 😀

  • Susie
    Reply

    I already knew I was not broken. Try telling that to the adults in my life at the time, especially the ENTP!

  • Joy
    Reply

    “The 13-year-old process is Extraverted Feeling (Fe)” <– 3 year old

  • Mona Mede
    Reply

    Thank you for emailing me this podcast.

    I can share my story 🙂 that would be fun!
    As a child I rarley spoke and I had bad situation at home with my parents fighting all the time about money so I was spending as much time outside as possible taking all evening classes, biking and listining others girls about guys 😛 I had no interests in guys but I wanted to hear others stories (I think now that I learned from it).

    At schoole my favourite subject was phychology course, math, sport and painting and I took it all in my extra time. I had no idea what I would like to do after collage so I moved to UK for a year as a child care, then I come back and I’ve started IT University when I also took a place in student exchange in Germany.

    I had multiple jobs optoelectronic laboratory assitant, IT tester and programmer, interior designer, project manager, and so on… Now I am creating my own application about better communication for other people.

    I recently doubt that I am INTP as I don’t really feel that I have social issues. I always feel a bit weird but my interpretation was rather that I am simply special :P. At some point in college I took approach that I am build with my experience/memories and even if those experiences were bad or I didnt liked them, I won’t be the same person without them.
    After this podcast I may still believe that I am INTP after you introduced 2 milioners that are charming and still INTP.

    At the moment I already survived time when I badly wanted to be extravert and I found some goodies with being an introwert.
    I was also in the posision when I wanted to help other so they found me as a close friend but that was only one sided relation – at some point when I was board with that person problems I wasn’t interested to meet that person any more what feels really bad. I just like this eyes when I see something clicked and life perception of this person will not be the same for the next 5 min or I hope longer.

    I am kind of good looking 29years old girl which is able to change own behaviour/approach by just understanding system, and now I can do it with others 😛 so I feel more like INFJ since 2 weeks.

    If I would recommend something to others INTPs it would be book “Refuse to choose” which I found while I was looking for my true passion. I like approach of Eva and I am happier since I read it. My every project is much easier now I love journaling:)

    There are many more advises that I can give from my experience like listen to Joel and Antonia and try it in life, but this comment would be too long to read. Maybe it’s already. Cheers!

  • India
    Reply

    I thought this whole personality test thing was helpful already, but I think this could be my favorite find since I’ve been digging through the INTP resources. This podcast was so tremendously helpful in describing the way I’ve always functioned and how to better deal with my behaviors and those around me. Also explains why I find absurd humor so funny, but you guys put words to what I never could quite convey. You both are so incredibly articulate and intelligent and I can’t thank you enough for all of your help! Keep on keepin’ on.

    • Joel Mark Witt
      Reply

      India. That’s actually our Daughter’s first name. Thanks for the feedback and comment.

  • Will
    Reply

    You guys mentioned my biggest issue in life until now. I’m 24, but I remember that when I was 16-17 I went through that whole nihilist phase, and it was very difficult. It messed up alot of things I had going on in my life at the time…relationship and my grades tanked so I messed up a good few of my exams. I’m not even sure what picked me back up. There were several other issues that you guys mentioned that were spot on. Glad that a resource like this exists

  • Helen
    Reply

    Hi, INTP female here. One thing that’s always bothered me is what the intp profiles say in the career section. I constantly see sites saying that engineering or the maths or computer technical jobs are perfect for the intp. But I feel like they’re missing out on a huge part of the intp personality that would make those jobs tough. And that’s the np part. I have a very hard time making myself focus on the day to day, rote, mindless drudgery that math involves. I remember struggling to focus in school because nothing was interesting and the things we were learning seemed pointless in the scheme of things. Math was especially a pain because I just could not see the point in learning it beyond the basics when I knew I would never go into a math based career. However, that didn’t mean I couldn’t pick it up quickly. I did better on the homework because I could take my time to fully integrate and work through problems to understand them. I could also teach the concepts to my friends incredibly well- to the point where they would get B’s and A’s on the tests and I would get C’s. The worst was when I was in my lab classes. It was almost impossible for me to follow these research steps and write down all the numbers that had no benefit to me. It wasn’t like we were performing groundbreaking experiments to learn something never before known. We were doing mindless, annoying, repetitive research. I ended up using my brain power to find ways to efficiently do the experiments with as little actual work involved as I could. Half the numbers were made up and I spent class wondering when I could get back to doing something mentally stimulating.

    So I guess what I was saying is this: how can engineering and the other jobs usually listed for an intp actually be the best career path when repetitive busy work is the bane of our existence?

    And what would the actual best type of career be for an intp who can’t stand repetitive busy work, and who doesn’t take orders well/ balks at authority?

    • Tara
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      I’m also an INTP female and you pretty much just described my entire school life. I also think those things about the “career” suggestions on INTP sites. Of course, I wish someone had adequately explained to me when I was much younger how completely fascinating theoretical physics can be so I didn’t completely miss out on learning all of the fundamentals and make it harder for myself to learn about it as an adult, but yes. I definitely second this post.

  • Zach
    Reply

    I have never felt such an urge to make a long and insightful comment about a podcast. Naturally, I listen to podcasts about whatever “new thing” I’m trying to learn at the time, but never really engage. I’d just like to start by saying thank you for such a deep dive into the INTP personality!

    I was originally typed as an INFJ, and although I could heavily relate to the intuitive part, I had this nagging sense of doubt. I finally figured out I was an INTP when my whole life basically stopped until I figured out what my personality was, because I couldn’t stop thinking about it. I am fairly confident in my INTP status now, and would like to share a few thoughts that I have about the INTP personality.

    The thing that I resonated most in this episode was Antonia’s analysis of what happy/successful INTPs are like.

    I guess the best way to explain is through my brief life story as a 20 year old (if anyone even cares haha):

    I grew up in a household that valued family, and with a mom that pushed me out of my comfort zone every chance she got. I was forced to play team sports my entire child life, and although I was athletic, I did not like them most of the time! I never felt like people respected me, so I made it my mission throughout all of high school to get a college golf scholarship. I ended up getting a full scholarship, and temporarily enjoyed that sense of respect I got from my peers, but that’s not what this insight is about.

    I then spent the first two years of college in a mild-moderate depression. During this period, I was not putting much effort into my long distance relationship, my golf, or my social life. I was basically watching Netflix and doing school work on the side. This past year, I told myself that no matter what happens, I’m going to work my butt off in EVERY aspect of my life, regardless of how uncomfortable I am doing so. Most of my “discomfort” actually comes from playing competitive golf.

    And when I say “discomfort,” I’m talking more about that feeling where your stomach is flipped upside down, your entire body is almost paralyzed, and all you want to do is go to your room and be alone forever.

    Basically, golf stresses me out. A LOT.

    But here is what I have noticed, which rings true with what Antonia mentioned:

    The periods of my life where I have jumped out of my comfort zone have been the most satisfying times in my life. I’ve felt so much motivation every morning to get up and work on getting better as a person.

    That being said, I’m only 20, and I’ve got a long way to go… I’d be lying if I said I had everything under control right now.

    To be honest, right now, my life feels like a 1000 piece puzzle, and I haven’t even finished the border yet 🙁

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