Podcast – Episode 0253 – American Nations by Colin Woodard (Part 2)

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue talking about the book American Nations by author Colin Woodard and how seeing North America through this lens could be another access point for healthy dialog. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Jonathan Nation
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    Thank you for sharing. Just finished the book – taking in the last few chapters this morning.

    It’s a good start, yet the farther into the book I got the more I believe I see the biased and lack of understanding of the author.

    Basically I can see it being true until roughly the civil war & really off in the southern part of the USA in the more recent 30 or so years.

    He seemed to want to keep a narrative of Republicans are X and going against the Democratic Party of Y … where it breaks down is in those last 30 to 60 years.

    Here is an alternative in the verbiage that fits the book in the south.

    In the last # years the Greater Application has taken more and more control of land that was the Deep South. The current Deep South is really just the cities of Charleston, Atlanta, Birmingham, Memphis, and Houston.

    The authoritarian elements of the Deep South really don’t fit most of the Southern part of the USA, except in those more urban cities, and along the edge of the Mississippi River in Mississippi.

    Granted, I have lived in Greater Application areas all my life, and totally see the culture being the main one in the Tennessee, where I live and have spent most of my life.

  • Mark
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    As someone born and raised in Colorado, I think this would be an interesting state to look at with regard to the change between the 2010 initial publishing of the book and now. With 200,000 people moving in since 2009 (70,000 in 2017 alone) and with the studies showing roughly 40% coming from California and 40% coming from Texas or other El Norte states, the flavor here has changed considerably.

    The Denver Post reported that 200,000 people left the state in 2016 with many complaining about the increase in traffic, cost of living and the change in identity in the state.

    Northeastern Colorado has a very El Norte influence now (imo) due to the influx a largely Hispanic population of workers migrating initially for work in farming and then a massive growth in oil and gas in the area.

    Boulder and Fort Collins seem to be showing more of a Left Coast flavor to them. There was even a mock celebration in Denver in April commemorating Colorado becoming California if that tells you how things feel in the state right now.

    Could be an interesting follow-up for Mr. Woodard.

  • Bea Minus
    Reply

    I’d like to add that I now have a love-hate relationship with Texas, where I was born and grew up. I live on the Left Coast now, and am more comfortable here. (INTJ)

  • Bea Minus
    Reply

    I was born and raised in Texas. People who moved to Texas, and who were not from there were perplexed and annoyed that Texas history was taught in schools. I guess that they did not realize that Texas history did not start with the Pilgrims, as taught in US History.

    So, when I listened to Part 1 and Part 2 of this podcast series, and learned about Colin Woodard’s book, I thought to myself, “Finally, someone outside of Texas acknowledges that not all the U.S. started in New England/Yankeedom.”

    Ever hear of the amusement park franchise Six Flags Over Texas? That’s because, historically, there WERE six flags over Texas. It was first claimed by Spain, then France, Mexico, The Republic of Texas* (yes, Texas was an independent republic for about 9 years), The Confederacy (sorry!), and finally, the United States. No Pilgrims.

    *How “Greater Appalacian” of them! LOL!

  • Phillip Jacobs
    Reply

    Greater app. Makes sense why I became a chemical engineer. Not because of the degree but because I could perfect the good ol mountain dew.

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