Podcast – Episode 0383 – Respecting Your 10-Yr-Old Cognitive Function – Part 2

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia conclude a 2-part series about respecting your 10-year-old cognitive function (technically called the tertiary function). In this episode, they cover the four perceiving functions.

 

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Check out our previous episode about respecting our 10-Yr-Old judging function.
  • Viewing respecting your 10-Yr-Old perceiving function as a way to access wisdom
  • Understanding the value of information through the DIKW model 
    • Check out our previous podcast where we apply this model to a discussion topic
    • How information progresses in value through the 4 stages of the model
  • Reframing respect for your 10-Yr-Old function as understanding the wisdom of its purpose, instead of conscious skill development alone.
  • How to build a respectful relationship with your 10-Yr-Old perceiving function:
  • Perspectives (Ni) – ISxPs:
    • What is the purpose of Ni?
    • The pitfalls of projection – when ISxPs overvalue their inner world
    • Using Se to shorten the timeline
  • Exploration (Ne) – ESxJs:
    • What can Ne teach us about new experiences?
    • What happens when you fall into “the novelty trap”?
    • The benefit of slowing down as an ESxJ
  • Sensation (Se) – ENxJs:
    • What does it really mean to be present?
    • How Se can create a perpetual-activity cycle in ENxJs
    • The wisdom in slowing down to enrich your Ni
  • A side note on leveraging the relationship between your 10-Yr-Old and Co-pilot to gain true knowledge and wisdom.
  • Memory (Si) – INxPs:
    • Si’s purpose in honoring “what has come before”
    • The identity issues that can emerge from being stuck in the past as an INxP
    • How does Si serve Ne when you push yourself outside of your comfort zone?
  • “What supports you crosses you, and what crosses you supports you” – final thoughts on gaining knowledge and wisdom through marrying the two sides of your perceiving polarity.

 

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  • Julia
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    I too was bit confused by this podcast. I had high hopes after listen to last weeks on the judging tertiary functions. It really seemed to frame issue well about respecting your 10-year old process by pointing out the places it could hang you up, the ways you could use it well and strategies for doing that. I was really hoping to get something similar for the perceiving functions but found the sections more of a confusing looping back and forth between a bit about what the function can bring to you and the world and a whole lot more about its limitations when in the tertiary position sometimes connected to the strengths and sometimes not but without as many of the more clear cut tricks and techniques that the judging functions podcast had for navigating through the maze of how to use it effectively and grow beyond the weaknesses.

    Similar to what Justine mentioned about the ITJs portion, I found section on introverted intuition in the tertiary position hard to wrap my head around…especially the part going back and forth about how it can let you see others perspectives more clearly and understand their actions, motivations and positions better but also you cause you to project false intent and misunderstand them too, as well as to create and stay overly committed to false or unlikely future scenarios. I get the point you were making that the strengths of a function can also be its weakness and Ni is a perfect illustration of that. Where I am hung up is what you are suppose to do to mitigate it. In the case of considering other’s perspectives, that one isn’t one you can ever really gather enough data on to know if you are in a place where you are using the function well or badly because you can’t gather data on what is going on in someone else’s inner world, it is just something you can speculated on. You can get some clues from extraverted sense but never will know enough to truly calibrate. Best case you can run a bunch of scenarios to look at all the different angles you think they might be coming from or ask for input and information from them but you still will be looking at it with your own lens and biases no matter how objective you try to be about be about it.

    I think part of the issue may be that the dichotomy between the judging functions is a lot more clear cut and easier to see how they work as processes in both their introverted and extroverted forms even if they are ones you don’t use much, while the sensing functions’ operation can be a lot more nebulous to understand especially the introverted ones.

    I did do a search back on older podcasts to see what I could find on other advice for respecting and developing your 10-year old process or just understanding what was going on with it better and found #122 https://personalityhacker.com/podcast-episode-0122-developing-your-10-year-old-tertiary-cognitive-function/ particularly helpful as an ISTP to fill in some missing pieces for me. I was particularly struggling with the fact that I find Ni especially useful at times and sometimes something that I am quite good at (I use the pattern recognition and future casting aspect a lot at work and very effectively) and other times the function trips me up to no end and leads to a lot of anxiety and unnecessary stress. Also I find that my reaction to stress has a similarly weird dichotomy…at times that most normal people would consider intense or stressful I am very good at handling but other times can get stress out my rather minor things that are just a normal part of everyday life.

    From a MBTI personal development perspective and I worked way through a variety of your podcasts I was perpetually struggling with the question of where in the journey I was, did I have a good grasp on my ten year old function or was it still a tripping point and/or blind spot and since both seemed to be very true, where was I suppose to go from there. And particularly was there something I could do to be able to operate more in the healthy/effective space and less in the stumbling counterproductive one and were there ways I could kick myself across the line manually at need rather than just hope or seek out situations where I had learned from past experience that I operated better (which life and my job only sometimes lets me do).

    One of the big missing pieces to the puzzle came from the story/description of the ISTP police officer and where he is able to use Ni effectively vs not and how it works for him. That finally explained to me that the key to regarding what situations it is suited for vs not and mirrors all the examples I think of when it is a semi-magically boon for me instead of an unnecessary source of angst. It works best in situations happening now when a snap decision needs to be made using information gathered from observable external sources but that needs to be made quickly using pattern recognition rather than through a more deliberately thought out and analyzed Ti process. Also that it works poorly for considering hypothetical future scenarios without actually being there and in the moment to pick up or see all the clues, detail and have the overlying context regarding what is happening. In the second scenario you just get stuck trying to consider all the potential what ifs and angles without knowing what they might actually be, nor do you truly know what action or decision the situation might dictate you make or when you will have to do or make them so get mired in considering all the possibilities rather than having actual information or real world data to work with. This of course fits in well with what you said about all the tertiary processes are best used in service to the secondary one rather than vice versa…though that didn’t really click for me without the example.

    The first scenario of using Ni in the moment to pattern recognition quickly to inform decisions as you use Se to take in data quickly and ground truth that what you think you are seeing really matches what information you are taking in, does presuppose that you have enough experience in whatever area you are using it to have good conceptual models built and to be able and willing to adapt them on the fly to whatever is actually happening. So using it this way, tertiary Ni both needs to be kept limited to situations actually happening right then and if applied to something where the consequences really matter only used in arenas where you do have the necessary experience and mental slide set built to be good at it. From either a recreationally or skill building perspective, finding similar yet ‘safe to fail’ situations seems like it could be very fun and/or useful and the end result of getting good enough to be able to use Ni more in this mode sounds like a great motivation for building additional skill sets and finding new areas where you can exercise it.

    The second scenario of trying to use Ni to speculate about hypothetical future situations seems like one that is best avoid especially for things that matter to you at a personal level especially emotionally charged topics. Using it to try to detect plot twists ahead of time or win at strategy games is kind of fun but probably shouldn’t be used for anything more serious until better developed. Which leads me to a final question (and what I had been hoping would be revealed in this weeks podcast) of what can you do to get better at using Ni this way?

  • Justine G
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    Thanks Guys,

    So having listened to both podcasts about tertiary ‘over-reach’ and lack of ‘appreciation’ for the tertiary, I have to say that the one for ITJs was for me the one weak node if you like. The summation of it at the end had apparently nothing to do with what was said during the main section, which particularly didn’t work because the summation was not flayed out or explained in any way, which it needed to be for it to make any sense in relationship to what it was supposedly summarising.

    To be clear, the summation ‘ITJs are in danger of going into dark places thinking they can easily come out’ has no apparent link to – ‘ITJs sometimes/often not doing things because ‘they don’t feel like it’, framed as some sort of ‘virtue’, without bothering to deep dive into the feelings and motivations behind it’.

    Sorry if this is a bit over-simplified but I’ve listened to those bits again and am still confused.

    • Justine G
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      Sorry my use of quotes and differing tenses might have been confusing, so to clarify again – the summation ‘ITJs are in danger of going into dark places thinking they can easily come out’ has no apparent link to – ‘ITJs sometimes/often won’t do things because they don’t feel like it, self-framed as some sort of virtue, without bothering to deep dive into the feelings and motivations behind it’.

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