Podcast – Episode 0095 – ISFP Personality Type Advice

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia dive deep into the needs and desires of the ISFP personality type.

In this podcast on the ISFP personality type you’ll find:

  • ISFP – Authenticity/Sensation in the Genius system
  • Highest quality responses on the ISFP survey
  • Car Model – Cognitive Function stack which influences your personality more than anything else.
  • The driver process is Introverted Feeling (Fi), which we have nicknamed “Authenticity.”
  • Fi puts ISFPs in flow.
  • It is a decision making process, so it determines how ISFPs makes decisions.
  • “What feels right to me as a person?” “What resonates with me at the core of my being?”
  • Fi is all about internal feelings – being in touch with how experiences impact you on a subjective level.
  • Anyone who leads with Fi can see a wide spectrum of everything that makes up who they are, even the dark parts.
  • Fi can become very interested in this process of ethics and how we should be treating each other.
  • ISFPs in the survey reported they struggle with self expression. They struggle to express the stuff that is beyond language. The stuff that is pure feeling and can’t just be expressed.
  • The co-pilot is Extraverted Sensing (Se), which we have nicknamed “Sensation.”
  • Sensation is about Real time information. What is coming at you in the moment using all your senses. Kinesthetic. Within body. Grounded.
  • Fi married to Se creates amazing art – self expression in physically tangible ways.
  • “Do you feel on some level you are an artist?” Most ISFPs say yes.
  • The world loves art, but doesn’t love an artist. ISFPs experience something similar to Intuitives – the idealization of them is a lot more acceptable than the reality of them.
  • ISFPs are not here to do the efficient thing. They aren’t here to build systems everybody benefits from. They are here to create and replicate emotional experiences that we cannot access any other way than through art. And that is not efficient. So ISFPs can feel very marginalized because their art is not appreciated.
  • ISFPs 10-year-old process is Introverted Intuition (Ni), which we have nicknamed “Perspectives.”
  • If an ISFP has felt censure from the world because of their need to express themselves freely they will bypass their copilot and go to the 10 year old.
  • Fi-Ni loop. Dangerous terrain.
  • If you only spend time inside of yourself you can get to a level of idealization that cannot play out in the outside world.
  • So the outside world becomes hostile and the ISFP becomes a martyr.
  • This sense of victimization means every time they attempt to do something in the outside world they bring with them all this idealization. It has to be a certain way. It has to be perfect. The outside world has to match what they are imagining inside themselves. Which is unrealistic.
  • The struggle of wanting to have other people understand what you are feeling and never attaining that is the foundation of art. To struggle again and again to create that expression can create great art.
  • But if an ISFP is too crushed by the world they hide away from the world and create more insecurity.
  • The 3-year-old process is Extraverted Thinking (Te), which we have nicknamed “Effectiveness.”
  • Effectiveness is all about getting things done and making things happen in the outside world. We live in a culture that honors Te.
  • For ISFPs this is a blind spot. Which is a struggle in a world that honors Te.
  • Te systems remove the human component. A one size fits all approach.
  • But ISFPs find that offensive. They don’t’ like depersonalized systems. They want the individual honored.
  • Automated systems can frustrate ISFPs.
  • All of us have a tendency to skip the copilot and go to the 10 yr old. If an ISFP paints an idealized perspective of how the world should be and it doesn’t play out in the outside world they can start to retreat even more. They can become more inward focused and double down on the idealized projection of how the world should be.
  • It interrupts relationships with other people. Any time we project out an idealization of how we want the world to be that is not possible everything is going to fall short and we will always be dissatisfied.
  • The antidote is making sure the ISFP spends time in their copilot. It grounds them.
  • Idealism is not the problem. It’s how the idealism is constructed. Create idealism by checking in with reality and pursuing sensation. Then see how other people’s ideals are different.
  • Let the outside world inform your idealism in order to gain competence and self worth and bring value to the world.
  • ISFPs that are on target for a realistic ideal are unstoppable. They will do everything necessary to get to their end game. They make up for their Te blind spot by going after what they want with single minded determination.
  • ISFPs have the ability to help other people replicate emotions. It is their super power!
  • Most of us don’t have access to our emotions on that level. We can get lost in emotional overload. But art can help us process that emotion.
  • ISFPs need to ask themselves what art they bring to the world.

In this episode Joel and Antonia dive deep into the needs and desires of the ISFP personality type. #ISFP #ISFPpersonality

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  • Hannah
    Reply

    Thank you. I’d hit a block recently with life and my art and I couldn’t figure out why that was. But everything you said was what I realised was holding me back; being trapped too much in an ideal that the real world becomes draining, but also holding myself back from creating for fear of not being able to truly articulate the intensity of what I’m feeling. What you said released a well of emotions inside of me and helped to provide new-found clarity. This was a incredibly beautiful and thoughtful podcast. Thank you so much.

  • Dasy Taylor
    Reply

    I have a question, actually.

    What I’m struggling with is differentiating between ISFPs and INFPs, since both tend to be artistic, have procrastination issues, are deeply in touch with their dream world, and are hesitant to explore the external world. I’ve read many articles on both types, and on their different Percieving functions, but when it comes to me, I feel like I can relate to both sets of Sensing-Intuition. I’ve always tested as an INFP and never as an ISFP, but the description of ISFP resonates with me just as deeply as the other, and both types have some common tropes that I can’t relate to.
    I do pursue art in many forms, but never really considered them as self-expression, they’re just things I enjoy doing. I have a very rich internal world full of characters, stories, imaginary cultures and scenery, and my main goal is to somehow portray these elements. I’ve always preferred mixing writing dialogues and illustrating the environment and the characters, or act the scene out by myself altogether. I love to build each character’s personality up to the point where their reactions come naturally, based on their approach to life. I’ve spent a lot of time enhancing my skills in order to portray them as accurately as possible, but never with the intention of “self-expression through art”. I play the sax, I love doing sports, and I sew costumes occasionally. It all aligns with what I’ve heard of ISFPs so far. But also I feel like my Ne and Se are both strong parts of me, and the Fi-Si looping experience is way too familiar. But so is the Fi-Ni looping. Whereas the Judging processes are so easy to distinguish, tracking the Percieving ones, and decide whether they’re extraverted or introverted, has been a nightmare.
    I’d love to hear your thoughts on how to decide whether one has Ne-Si or Se-Ni.

  • Tatiana Ribber
    Reply

    I took the test recently and as I was reading the personality type I had tears in my eyes, as it describes so much of my personality, even the traits I struggle to explain to my significant other.
    I spent my entire adult life working with business administration and bookkeeping, side by side with my husband (who, by the way, is an INTJ, yeah, lucky me…). I just have no skills managing people and the prospect to have to discipline or fire someone would make me miserable.

    As I read my profile and then his, it became obvious to me why the past 18 years have been so difficult, why I felt so inadequate, so unhappy with my career choice, and I also came to understand and accept that if we want to continue married we must never work together again.

    I used to be very artistic as a child and adolescent, but then, life happened and art was pushed to the back burner until I lost my ability and confidence to create. but lately, even before I discovered that I was an ISFP, I just have this itch to do something, create something and it just won’t go away, I have so many projects that I want to try, from furniture to wall art. Your podcast and articles have given me the confidence to enroll in an Interior Design course and maybe find my place in the world.

    I am also a very empathetic, emotional person, I usually follow my heart, not my head (maybe this is the reason why I ended up with an INTJ!)

    Thank you so much for all information!

    • Antonia Dodge
      Reply

      Awesome! I’m so glad you enrolled in Interior Design! Enjoy every second of it. 🙂

      -A-

  • Saby
    Reply

    Hi I am an ISFP , I am a CIO with decent track record and worked as IT head in differenct companies, developing new system and processes. What gives me kick is – working on new projects , solving complex problems , going beyond boundaries to experience new areas , even at huge risks. I have left established companies to take complex assignments in smaller company and suffered in my career also because of that. But I learnt from my experiences and bounced back after failure. I am innovative and strategic and not detail oriented and need a detail oriented guy in my team as IT projects need that.
    I am not sure how I can change my career and be an artist from my current profession. Incidentally couple of astrolgers told me I will earn many folds abd be more satisfied I pursue my career in the field of art , fashion design etc. That resonates with the podcast , where you mention that . each ISFP is an artist – but I am not able to discover my artist self. Please let me know how I can find an alternate career option in the field of art , by utilising my native personality as ISFP.

    regards Saby

  • Mia
    Reply

    I saw the other video (the short “riff” one) about ISFPs and you guys said that the isfp sees people as unique snowflakes and they hate to be ‘boxed in’. I don’t think I quite resonate with that. I mean, sure people are different and unique but when I first took your test and I got ISFP, I was excited. It didn’t feel like ‘boxing in’.

    Although I don’t like to be stereotyped, I like the mbti typology and I love observing people and typing them in my mind for fun for eg, mom is an ESFP and dad’s an XSTX etc. So I’m worried If I’m NOT an Isfp. It didn’t feel like boxing in, it felt like another medium to express myself and improve myself. So does that NOT make me an isfp or what?

    • Antonia Dodge
      Reply

      There’s a tendency to avoid systems that appear to oversimplify people’s individuality, but to speak to their point everyone is different and how things strike them is unique to the person. If everything about being an ISFP fits like a glove there’s no reason not to rest into it as your best-fit type.

      -A-

      • Mia
        Reply

        Yeah, that’s the problem. I can relate to most of the things about being an ISFP, like the Authenticity function and the Fi-Ni loop but I’m not athletic AT ALL. I used to dance and perform up to age 13 and after that I got too self conscious and lazy.

        I’m not that good at sports but I like to give it a try once in a while. I just don’t excel at it. To be honest, I don’t have much artistic talents, except photography.

        Photography is like a NEED for me. I just love taking pictures but I don’t follow traditional styles. I like to bring my own twist to it, you know. I looooove taking candid pics of my close friends or family. I think that candid pics capture the essence of the moment or something. It’s silly haha. My family really likes and compliments my photos after they come out.

        But I’m not athletic. When I think about it I’m kind of weak at sports. Although I love to dance I’m not thaaat good at it. I just enjoy doing it.

        Also, I have read around the internet that ISFPs are hip and trendy and are well manicured. I’m not like that at all!. I think I have a bit of aesthetic sensitivity as I love selecting clothes for other people. I know what my close ones’ tastes are and I get them dresses for their birthdays and they usually love it.

        Even though I enjoy looking at pretty clothes in stores, I never buy them as I’m not confident enough to wear them. I always wear dark shades of jeans and T-shirts. I don’t like wearing dresses, they’re itchy!. I just want to be comfortable.

        My best friend who’s also an ISFP doodles really well and is cool and up to date about the latest things and has a lot of friends. She takes good pictures and her instagram account looks really good.

        I, on the other hand likes to be invisibile. I don’t post much on Ig and I like looking at memes all day and staying in bed and I also don’t like wearing makeup because it doesn’t feel like me. It’s like I lose my sense of individuality.

        So am I still an ISFP or does that make me an ENTIRELY different type? Also, I have felt pretty misunderstood all my childhood (still do as a teenager). I thought I was an intuitive at first and self typed myself to be INFP and adopted its behaviors and started being aloof and lost touch with reality. Then my grades started slipping so I adopted some quirks of INTPs and got decent grades but I avoided my emotions and I blew up at last!. Then I came back to INFP and then i saw ISFP and related more to it and I took the PH test and got ISFP. Kind of happy where I am now.

        So do you think I’m an ISFP after reading my life story ??✌

        • Antonia Dodge
          Reply

          Nothing you’re saying sounds unlike an ISFP. I’d recommend focusing on the cognitive functions for an ISFP and how they show up for you, not on generic type descriptions and behaviors.

          -A-

          • Bradley Jones

            I think us ISFPs have a tendency to be very doubtful about our type. Since we’re sensors, we want concrete evidence to prove our processes and since the most concrete thing about personality is how it shows up in the world, that’s what we latch onto. It also gets a bit confusing when it comes to the abstract, because with our perspectives process, we tend to find ways to relate at least a little with anybody. It can be hard to discern how much we relate to different types or functions when you can so easily imagine yourself in the position of either of them. And of course it’s very frustrating to us, because our authenticity process drives us to be true to ourselves and if we don’t know what that is, it can be very tempting to just go in circles without making a decision.

      • Dasy Taylor
        Reply

        I have a question, actually. What I’m struggling with is differentiating between ISFPs and INFPs, since both tend to be artistic, have procrastination issues, are deeply in touch with their dream world, and are hesitant to explore the external world. I’ve read many articles on both types, and on their different Percieving functions, but when it comes to me, I feel like I can relate to both sets of Sensing-Intuition. I’ve always tested as an INFP and never as an ISFP, but the description of ISFP resonates with me just as deeply as the other, and both types have some common tropes that I can’t relate to.
        I do pursue art in many forms, but never really considered them as self-expression, they’re just things I enjoy doing. I have a very rich internal world full of characters, stories, imaginary cultures and scenery, and my main goal is to somehow portray these elements. I’ve always preferred mixing writing dialogues and illustrating the environment and the characters, or act the scene out by myself altogether. I love to build each character’s personality up to the point where their reactions come naturally, based on their approach to life. I’ve spent a lot of time enhancing my skills in order to portray them as accurately as possible, but never with the intention of “self-expression through art”. I play the sax, I love doing sports, and I sew costumes occasionally. It all aligns with what I’ve heard of ISFPs so far. But also I feel like my Ne and Se are both strong parts of me, and the Fi-Si looping experience is way too familiar. But so is the Fi-Ni looping. Whereas the Judging processes are so easy to distinguish, tracking the Percieving ones, and decide whether they’re extraverted or introverted, has been a nightmare.
        I’d love to hear your thoughts on how to decide whether one has Ne-Si or Se-Ni.

        • Dasy Taylor
          Reply

          sorry, not here!

  • Helen
    Reply

    I test as INFP but thought I was an INFJ. Now…. I feel so happy to have landed on ISFP, it feels SO right for me. The loop is spot on – I resonated with Authenticity (INFP) and Perspectives (INFJ) I imagine because I have been looping between the two (as an ISFP). The fact that ISFP’s are somewhat intuitive adds more nuance to the mix.

    When Antonia asks ISFP’s if they consider themselves an Artist (to help discern Type) and ISFP’s always answer ‘Yes’ my response was ‘no’. I continued pondering and then ‘click’ it all fell into place:

    I worked as a Massage Therapist and always found it a meditative type experience. It was very important to me to create a beautiful space for my Clients, everything needed to be right, the room temperature warm and inviting, low lighting, beautiful music, aromatherapy oils and a sumptuous warm draped couch for maximum sensory relaxation. Without the room set up this way, massage doesn’t really interest me. It needs to be an immersive experience created primarily to evoke the most wonderful emotions for my client. I’ve thought of going back to massage and have been very drawn to LomiLomi a spiritual massage where the Therapist dances around the table (kind of Tai Chi style!). It’s a very nurturing style coming from the heart and can be powerfully healing.

    I moved away from Massage because outside of the treatment room I had no real passion to learn or gain more knowledge – it didn’t excite me. I was really passionate about the enneagram and wanted to work as a coach using it’s insights, I qualified as a coach but ended up applying the emotional healing to all the many parts of myself (as Antonia mentioned ISFP’s have a lot of parts). When I turned towards myself I was amazed how much reactivity there was to deal with and how complicated I was compared to other people! For the past few years it seems I’ve been stuck in the ISFP loop driving myself crazy, nearly throwing in the towel a few times. I just couldn’t see clearly what my gifts are but I feel so certain now that returning to massage is my path.

    My potential challenge is to have faith in what my heart is telling me and not listen to my head if it starts telling me I could do better etc. I don’t think it will happen this time though. I feel I’ve suffered long enough and am ready to begin a new chapter…or perhaps visit an old one with a completely different heart and mind set 🙂

    Thank you Antonia and Joel SO much. You two are amazing. I love listening to your Podcasts…you’re both brilliant!

    Happy 2018!

    • Helen
      Reply

      I am now back at INFJ having joined an ISFP fb group and not resonating with the people there.

      • Helen
        Reply

        Back at ISFP!! I’m a SP/SO4 with SX4 repressed. More recent inquiry means I see the ISFP more clearly.

  • Nicole
    Reply

    As an ISFP, I quickly drank up your ISFP podcast. It finally clicked how often I get into a Fi-Ni loop and now I am excited to look for opportunities to use extroverted sensing more.

    One question, the effectiveness portion (project management, etc). How can ISFP excel in careers that require this skill? It seems the only stable careers highly value ISFPs weaknesses. Sure, I may have talent in writing, dance, creative pursuits, but I would never pursue these as ways to maintain financial stability because it’s not realistic for me. It seems the only way I can gain a higher income would be to develop these skills. Will ISFPs always have this as a point of weakness? Can this be developed and if so would it change my type? Or would I excel but always be stressed? Any suggestions?

    • Zoe
      Reply

      As an ISFP stuck in Fi-Ni loop as well, this also bothers me for ages. Can anyone else share their view and suggestions? XD

  • Jeri
    Reply

    I really enjoyed this podcast and found it to be very accurate. This resonated with me. I am a musician, a vocalist, and use my voice to elicit emotional responses to song. I never thought of it as a super power. Thank you for this analysis!

  • Benjamin
    Reply

    Wow. Just listened to this episode and as a male ISFP I totally agree with everything you go into detail on. Friends and family have always pointed out my eye for art and ability to express myself with great passion. I am a little speechless honestly because I have been a photographer for several years. I thought it was just a “thing” that I was getting into, but I have found out that I actually NEED photography. I really felt, when you were talking, a re-installment (if you will) of desire for taking photos.

    I have recently taken a business adventure with the transportation brokerage world. A couple has taken me under their wings and I’ve really attached myself to their vision, because I do really believe it. But I am realizing that I have been sitting in my 3 year old self in this business, thus I haven’t done much of anything, it’s crazy how my creative process is so needed for me. And its something I want to do but just have given it the back seat. Is that a pretty accurate solution for a stagnant non-emotional influenced business, to bring in photography and allow the outside to influence my inner world?

    Thanks for your input and wisdom on us ISFP’s!

    • Antonia Dodge
      Reply

      So glad it brought you value! I would definitely recommend following your inner motivation as opposed to relying upon external motivation sources. Sometimes we need external motivations when dealing with the nitpicky parts of our careers that we don’t particularly enjoy (since those will always exist), but as far as choosing a career itself go with what makes your heart sing.

      -A-

  • Ilona
    Reply

    I wanted to comment on this podcast. I always come out as infp in dichotomies tests and also on your test. I think it’s because my Intuition is high. Even my husband sees me more as an infp. I am quite certain I use Fi first and Te last, but not sure about the rest, the sandwich fillings like Antionia said. People online seem to suggest isfp because of my apparent clear language (not metaphorical or poetic) and the fact that I can describe sensations and sights a lot, thus why I am here.

    I feel I usually take the world as it is, through my senses. For instance, while in Disney, I would notice the sights, smells and sounds. But I am really into reflecting about what’s beneath the surface. Taking again Disney as an example, I was one day reflecting about Walt’s vision of what he wanted this to be, he was idealistic and had such wonderful ideas, even when people thought they were unrealistic. I thought it was unfortunate that a lot didn’t come to be and I was wondering what he would think about what Disney is like now, probably a lot more materialistic and capitalistic than he envisioned. Or those were my thoughts.

    I like to think about society, cultures, spirituality and religion, human psychology, determinism, ethics, environmental issues, futurology and so on. I feel slightly as an odd ball when it comes to general isfp descriptions which tend to be a lot more… Concrete?

    But in a concrete fashion, I don’t like poetry and I sometimes don’t get metaphors, my language tends to be clear and simple… I prefer to use similes if I am trying to make someone understand me on a deeper level…

    The only area in life I am a little more metaphorical is when I use archetypes for Neopaganism, as I don’t believe in literal gods. Speaking of spirituality, I enjoy ancient myths, though I sometimes struggle to understand the message underneath… I couldn’t read the whole Quran or Bible because I really struggled to understand them. Also, I often daydream of different worlds, such as you described with the tertiary perspectives function, ideal society for instance. I also have a few fantasy worlds inside my mind, which I have constructed, several which started in sleeping dreams I had. I might be looping due to those ideas having a negative impact sometimes (wishing they were real), but I have found that I could use it in a positive creative way (drawing and writing). I love to look up many subjects and pretty much learn everyday, so if I am an isfp I shatter the stereotype of them being “dumb”. I am also learning Japanese and love the writing system, it’s quite artistic! I think I tested as enneagram 4w5.

    As for Sensing, I’m not kinaesthetic at all, and it has nothing to do with looping, even as a child I wasn’t good at using my body (tried gymnastic, sports, etc). I have two feet when dancing and am super clumsy in everyday life (always have a bruise somewhere as a testament to this) If any other sensation type relates, try drawing, hiking, interacting with animals, observing nature, enjoying to relax, savour something comforting and delicious, read a book in a calm outside environment, and such. I’m a quiet and relaxed person so I don’t seek out harsh sensations, being highly sensitive to noise, too much people/strangers and other stimuli. So perhaps I am a more passive and quiet sensor rather than an active one. Super introverted.

    That is perhaps some of the flexibility one has to keep in mind when typing themselves? Or I am mistyping myself? Sorry for mistakes (English is my third language) and it being the length of a short story, but if by any chance there is a reply, I wanted to be thorough with how I feel I differ with isfp descriptions but also relate to sensing. I think it might also help others which feel perhaps that they are similar to me, like in a hazy fog, when it comes to distinguishing whether they are mainly sensors or intuitives.

    Anyway, enjoyed the podcast, your car model and the descriptions of functions are a lot easier for me to understand than the cold technical Jungian terms. I still am unsure about my functions but perhaps I am getting closer thanks to you guys.

    • Charis Branson
      Reply

      You are right Ilona, there is some need for flexibility when interpreting the types. However, it is also possible you are mistyping yourself. They physical clumsiness, the thinking beneath the surface, and the clear simple language lead me to believe you might be INFJ.

      Authenticity users usually use more poetic language. And when you were analyzing Disney, you were shifting perspectives. Also, INFJs have Sensation inferior which creates some physical clumsiness at times, and can make physical routines like dance difficult to grasp.

      Check out our resource page for INFJs. Approach it with an open mind. Sometimes we can get so attached to what we want to be we neglect to see other possibilities.

      https://www.personalityhacker.com/resources-infj/

  • Natalie
    Reply

    I have taken the Myers Briggs many times, and although I am very close to being one or the other on many categories, I always end up with the same results- ISFP. I am not at all an artist. I don’t play music, sing, I’m not interested in art or theater. I am a nurse and love my job but I am not an artist! I related to everything in this podcast except for the strength.. Being an artist. I felt like the podcast hit many negative traits or struggles ISFP’s have, except for this one strength that I don’t posesses! Does this mean I am probably not an ISFP? Regardless I enjoyed this podcast just as much as I have enjoyed the others! So interesting!

    • Ilona
      Reply

      To Natalie, I don’t think they mean that isfps are always literally artists… Don’t you feel that it can be an art to make people feel better? To nurse them? Sometimes art can be expressed also in clothing, in design (like your house decoration), aesthetics, makeup, etc.

      It’s sad no one replied to this, but then again, most MBTI related sites are intuitive focused. Understandable, it’s probably their biggest market share but there’s some sensing types that want to find out more (especially those that are more intuitively developed).

      • Antonia Dodge
        Reply

        We get a lot of comments here, on Facebook and through various email and messaging channels. Not answering a comment isn’t a sign that the person is being snubbed because they’re a Sensor.

        -A-

        • Ilona
          Reply

          I know this was a while back but sorry for saying this. I felt annoyed at some other sites and projected the feeling at this website too when I saw her question being unanswered.

          Hopefully Natalie has found out which type she is and what functions she uses. As far as I understand, Se doesn’t mean someone has to be an artist in a typical sense.

    • Charis Branson
      Reply

      Thanks for the comment Natalie! I agree with Ilona, I’m sure you bring some artistic expression to your job. As to this being the only strength mentioned in the podcast, Joel did say that ISFPs super power was their ability to replicate emotions. I think that would be an awesome skill for a nurse! And honoring the needs of the individual over the system would make you an excellent patient advocate.

      Don’t get hung up over the artist thing. I’m fairly certain my father in law (an ISFP) would deny being an artist. But he has been a residential painter for decades and he does it the old fashioned way – no paint sprayer. He’s good at what he does and his paint jobs last longer than the ones that have been sprayed on.

  • Randy Caba
    Reply

    A neighbor suspected of being an ISFP immediately and enthusiastically answered that she considers herself an artist. Nailed it, Antonia 🙂

  • Viggo Nielsen
    Reply

    Gotta admit you hit pretty spot on – the part about impersonal fast food orders actually made me laugh because it’s so true lol 😀

  • Julian Lee
    Reply

    Only thing I could think of listening to this podcast; Michael Jackson..

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