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In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about why we need Introverted Thinking in our modern world of misinformation and confusing logic.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- When you look at MBTI, we see 16 patterns of people as they show up down thru history.
- Macrocosms – social manifestations
- Certain characteristics are more or less favored by society.
- In the US, there has been emphasis placed on Judger qualities – Si, Ni, Te, Fe
- Lots of time and effort poured into infrastructure. Emphasis on conformity. Collective ideal.
- We can see a shift to more of a perceiving style.
- Preferences of whole societies can shift over time. We as individuals can’t change types, but societies can.
- Henry Ford is famous for saying, “You can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.”
- Burger King is famous for saying, “Have it your way.”
- We went from a one-size-fits-all society to one that enjoys unlimited choices.
- The message in the middle part of 20th century was one of conformity – Graves level 4
- In the 80s a lot of people started graduating to Graves Level 5. Things started becoming more individualistic.
- When done poorly, Introverted Thinking (Ti) is a dull blade, and it hurts. When done well it is a sharp sword.
- As a society, we aren’t using Ti well, but we want to be.
- Modern media is reinforcing this idea that Ti is becoming more popular.
- John Oliver
- John Stewart
- Adam Ruins Everything
- Trump likely uses Ti as a copilot. He’s not using it well.
- People want to rest into truth, no matter how unpopular
- What the internet did for people was give them the ability to see how much contradictory info is out there.
- People lose faith in the experts. We have to be the final determiners of good/bad info.
- Facebook has announced it is going to start censoring misleading news sources, which is going to remove people’s ability to vet their news sources.
- Common Core teaches kids how to think. How to vet info.
- Most people are terrible with logic. It’s not because people don’t have the ability to be analytical, it’s that they aren’t taught formal logic.
- Consumer technology has outpaced us socially. We are now required to use formal logic.
- Are we able to develop this process fast enough to meet the challenges demanded of us?
- Youtube comments
- If you have even a hair’s breath of emotion fueling your evaluation or assessment, you are not using Ti. Ti is the best when completely emotionally neutral.
- Bias lives in the emotional expression of want. You want to believe something.
- If you are getting emotionally triggered and you can’t hold it at bay, you aren’t using Ti.
- That requires a level of rigor that even people who have it as a strength take time to perfect
- If you get emotionally triggered, you cannot look at a piece of data with clarity. Clarity requires an emotionally neutral stance.
- This is tough. Society as a whole is crappy at this. Everything is triggering.
- For society to get better at this everybody has to stop being so triggered. They have to stop being so emotional.
- Snopes.com
- Politifact.com
- Julian Assange probably a Ti user.
- Most people aren’t that concerned with facts. They are concerned with what they want.
- Teaching children how to think is vital.
- Don’t assume you are good at logic when you aren’t.
- People believe everything they think. So it must be true. It must be rational. Why doesn’t everyone else see it?
- Righteous indignation – If you say something that bothers me, you have to be set right.
- Unskilled Ti hurts people.
- Build skill with it.
- Stop using it as a weapon. It is better not to use it at all than to use it poorly.
- Don’t dismiss information when it comes your way just because it runs contrary to what you want to believe.
- If Ti is your strength, make sure you are using it well. Make sure people can rest into your data.
- The ideal world is where all TPs are rooting out their biases, and the world welcomes their data.
- Bernie Sanders also uses Ti.
- Non-triggered truth-telling.
- There is no such things as empirical truth. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t truths that are closer to empirical truths than others. Not a toggle switch, more of a sliding scale.
- Show up with clean data.
- The most damaging emotion right now is righteous indignation.
- Introverted Feeling (Fi) needs to be tempered with Ti or we will lose our way.
- Fi idealism can become its weakness if it tries to foist that off on others.
- Extreme social shame if someone isn’t on the same level.
- Muscle people into the right behavior.
- Ti won’t do that. It’s not sustainable. Ti is seeking the sustainable truth. Muscling someone with social censure is not a viable tool. That’s more like Fe gone wrong.
- Ti is showing us a more accurate perception of where we are in the stream of time.
- Dial back that indignation. Get more precise collectively
- Car Model
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Thanks Catherine for the question. We have it in the works. Probably coming next year.
Thanks for the podcast, I hadn’t thought of it from that perspective so it gives me a lot to digest the next few days!
I had thought about this, but from another angle. Obama wrote something very interesting in his book “The Audacity of Hope”, that also refers to the microcosm/macrocosm:
“In every society (and in every individual), these twin strands – the individualistic and the communal, autonomy and solidarity – are in tension”
I think to take it step further on what you said, I think every age is defined not just by one function, but function pairs. This tension that Obama was referring to.
For example, the 18th century European society was focused on the scientific revolution and understanding the world through reason (Ti), but also the principles of fraternity, the unalienable rights of man, social cohesion and national identity (Fe). Right afterwards, the technological advances of the scientific revolution made it possible to industrialize Europe, and the 19th century focused on Te in society, and also moved away from the group feeling to individualism, romancitism, Fi values.I agree Donald Trump is probably an ESTP, but I see it more as his Se, the taking action in an age of indecision/stand still politics that people are thirsty for, and not the Ti. The fact that the word “post-truth” is popping up to me points to a more Te/Fi society that we are about to enter. Te is not so much concerned with factual truth than what gets the job done, and what is true on the macroscale (I kind of think of the dynamic between Ti/Te as being like quantum physics and newtonian mechanics….Ti is what is true on the microscale, Te is what is true concerning emergence).
Just like how the findings during the scientific revolution led to widespread industrialization and systemization in the 19th century, I saw it as the last 80 years of our tech age discoveries are going to lead to a very systemized Te future. Also, the last 80 years was about joining together and working together in a global family (The EU, for example), and now we are seeing a trend towards countries being more isolationist, turning their focus on their own needs and away from global/international cooperation.I agree we definitley need Ti in this society….oh lordy. My question is though, is that just because we’re entering a Te/Fi colored world, and we notice Ti doesn’t really matter as much—we don’t care as much about what is factually true. We are actually exhausted of Ti, and want to shift towards building better systems.
Do you ever have transcripts of your Podcasts?