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In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about why we need Introverted Thinking in our modern world of misinformation and confusing logic.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- When you look at MBTI, we see 16 patterns of people as they show up down thru history.
- Macrocosms – social manifestations
- Certain characteristics are more or less favored by society.
- In the US, there has been emphasis placed on Judger qualities – Si, Ni, Te, Fe
- Lots of time and effort poured into infrastructure. Emphasis on conformity. Collective ideal.
- We can see a shift to more of a perceiving style.
- Preferences of whole societies can shift over time. We as individuals can’t change types, but societies can.
- Henry Ford is famous for saying, “You can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.”
- Burger King is famous for saying, “Have it your way.”
- We went from a one-size-fits-all society to one that enjoys unlimited choices.
- The message in the middle part of 20th century was one of conformity – Graves level 4
- In the 80s a lot of people started graduating to Graves Level 5. Things started becoming more individualistic.
- When done poorly, Introverted Thinking (Ti) is a dull blade, and it hurts. When done well it is a sharp sword.
- As a society, we aren’t using Ti well, but we want to be.
- Modern media is reinforcing this idea that Ti is becoming more popular.
- John Oliver
- John Stewart
- Adam Ruins Everything
- Trump likely uses Ti as a copilot. He’s not using it well.
- People want to rest into truth, no matter how unpopular
- What the internet did for people was give them the ability to see how much contradictory info is out there.
- People lose faith in the experts. We have to be the final determiners of good/bad info.
- Facebook has announced it is going to start censoring misleading news sources, which is going to remove people’s ability to vet their news sources.
- Common Core teaches kids how to think. How to vet info.
- Most people are terrible with logic. It’s not because people don’t have the ability to be analytical, it’s that they aren’t taught formal logic.
- Consumer technology has outpaced us socially. We are now required to use formal logic.
- Are we able to develop this process fast enough to meet the challenges demanded of us?
- Youtube comments
- If you have even a hair’s breath of emotion fueling your evaluation or assessment, you are not using Ti. Ti is the best when completely emotionally neutral.
- Bias lives in the emotional expression of want. You want to believe something.
- If you are getting emotionally triggered and you can’t hold it at bay, you aren’t using Ti.
- That requires a level of rigor that even people who have it as a strength take time to perfect
- If you get emotionally triggered, you cannot look at a piece of data with clarity. Clarity requires an emotionally neutral stance.
- This is tough. Society as a whole is crappy at this. Everything is triggering.
- For society to get better at this everybody has to stop being so triggered. They have to stop being so emotional.
- Snopes.com
- Politifact.com
- Julian Assange probably a Ti user.
- Most people aren’t that concerned with facts. They are concerned with what they want.
- Teaching children how to think is vital.
- Don’t assume you are good at logic when you aren’t.
- People believe everything they think. So it must be true. It must be rational. Why doesn’t everyone else see it?
- Righteous indignation – If you say something that bothers me, you have to be set right.
- Unskilled Ti hurts people.
- Build skill with it.
- Stop using it as a weapon. It is better not to use it at all than to use it poorly.
- Don’t dismiss information when it comes your way just because it runs contrary to what you want to believe.
- If Ti is your strength, make sure you are using it well. Make sure people can rest into your data.
- The ideal world is where all TPs are rooting out their biases, and the world welcomes their data.
- Bernie Sanders also uses Ti.
- Non-triggered truth-telling.
- There is no such things as empirical truth. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t truths that are closer to empirical truths than others. Not a toggle switch, more of a sliding scale.
- Show up with clean data.
- The most damaging emotion right now is righteous indignation.
- Introverted Feeling (Fi) needs to be tempered with Ti or we will lose our way.
- Fi idealism can become its weakness if it tries to foist that off on others.
- Extreme social shame if someone isn’t on the same level.
- Muscle people into the right behavior.
- Ti won’t do that. It’s not sustainable. Ti is seeking the sustainable truth. Muscling someone with social censure is not a viable tool. That’s more like Fe gone wrong.
- Ti is showing us a more accurate perception of where we are in the stream of time.
- Dial back that indignation. Get more precise collectively
- Car Model
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Just have a quick comment – listening to this podcast for the second time. With regard to Joel’s comment about Facebook censoring fake news – I’m all for it and here’s why: I would be grateful to not have to waste even seconds of my time looking at fake or false news. I also don’t think it would eliminate or limit anyone’s ability to critically think, especially as of now when that ability is crucial to survive in this society. I don’t think I would stop skeptically reviewing something just because Facebook “supposedly” censored fake news for me. Catch my drift?
Thanks for having the most awesome podcast!!
Jaime (ENFJ)
INTP here, had a lot to love in this episode. I’m excited by the idea of the world moving in a Ti direction. I keep going back and forth on Facebook censorship… I mean, yes, I want people to learn a bit of Ti, but like you say most people really stink at it. What I’d rather have is people recognize their limits/biases in the area, and understand that when they allow emotion to influence their thinking they have conceded the analytical high ground. Y’all are right, emotion has no place in analysis.
Generation would refer to the collective, not to individuals. There will always be people who pursue on their own things that aren’t necessarily instilled into the culture as a whole. I’ve run into a ton of teachers that loathe Common Core, some that immediately loved it and others that came to appreciate it over time.
It’s a good sign it exists, but the backlash from teachers and parents indicate it’s counter-cultural for this time. But it won’t be for long. :D
A
Hello. Something that I thought of as I listened to this podcast. In relation to Joel’s comment that the backlash around Common Core is from a generation that wasn’t taught to use Ti. You also have to then apply that to the process of creating the Common Core method, as well as the data that was cited by the Elementary school teacher and the teacher themselves.
INTP here. I agree that having no emotions is a good test for when you are using Ti. This is especially the case for non-dominant Ti types.
But for me, I can use it all the time even when I’m emotional. That’s because my Ti is very visual. I simply look at the visual structure in my mind’s eye. Being too emotional only affects its processing speed and but not its accuracy.