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In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about why we need Introverted Thinking in our modern world of misinformation and confusing logic.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- When you look at MBTI, we see 16 patterns of people as they show up down thru history.
- Macrocosms – social manifestations
- Certain characteristics are more or less favored by society.
- In the US, there has been emphasis placed on Judger qualities – Si, Ni, Te, Fe
- Lots of time and effort poured into infrastructure. Emphasis on conformity. Collective ideal.
- We can see a shift to more of a perceiving style.
- Preferences of whole societies can shift over time. We as individuals can’t change types, but societies can.
- Henry Ford is famous for saying, “You can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.”
- Burger King is famous for saying, “Have it your way.”
- We went from a one-size-fits-all society to one that enjoys unlimited choices.
- The message in the middle part of 20th century was one of conformity – Graves level 4
- In the 80s a lot of people started graduating to Graves Level 5. Things started becoming more individualistic.
- When done poorly, Introverted Thinking (Ti) is a dull blade, and it hurts. When done well it is a sharp sword.
- As a society, we aren’t using Ti well, but we want to be.
- Modern media is reinforcing this idea that Ti is becoming more popular.
- John Oliver
- John Stewart
- Adam Ruins Everything
- Trump likely uses Ti as a copilot. He’s not using it well.
- People want to rest into truth, no matter how unpopular
- What the internet did for people was give them the ability to see how much contradictory info is out there.
- People lose faith in the experts. We have to be the final determiners of good/bad info.
- Facebook has announced it is going to start censoring misleading news sources, which is going to remove people’s ability to vet their news sources.
- Common Core teaches kids how to think. How to vet info.
- Most people are terrible with logic. It’s not because people don’t have the ability to be analytical, it’s that they aren’t taught formal logic.
- Consumer technology has outpaced us socially. We are now required to use formal logic.
- Are we able to develop this process fast enough to meet the challenges demanded of us?
- Youtube comments
- If you have even a hair’s breath of emotion fueling your evaluation or assessment, you are not using Ti. Ti is the best when completely emotionally neutral.
- Bias lives in the emotional expression of want. You want to believe something.
- If you are getting emotionally triggered and you can’t hold it at bay, you aren’t using Ti.
- That requires a level of rigor that even people who have it as a strength take time to perfect
- If you get emotionally triggered, you cannot look at a piece of data with clarity. Clarity requires an emotionally neutral stance.
- This is tough. Society as a whole is crappy at this. Everything is triggering.
- For society to get better at this everybody has to stop being so triggered. They have to stop being so emotional.
- Snopes.com
- Politifact.com
- Julian Assange probably a Ti user.
- Most people aren’t that concerned with facts. They are concerned with what they want.
- Teaching children how to think is vital.
- Don’t assume you are good at logic when you aren’t.
- People believe everything they think. So it must be true. It must be rational. Why doesn’t everyone else see it?
- Righteous indignation – If you say something that bothers me, you have to be set right.
- Unskilled Ti hurts people.
- Build skill with it.
- Stop using it as a weapon. It is better not to use it at all than to use it poorly.
- Don’t dismiss information when it comes your way just because it runs contrary to what you want to believe.
- If Ti is your strength, make sure you are using it well. Make sure people can rest into your data.
- The ideal world is where all TPs are rooting out their biases, and the world welcomes their data.
- Bernie Sanders also uses Ti.
- Non-triggered truth-telling.
- There is no such things as empirical truth. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t truths that are closer to empirical truths than others. Not a toggle switch, more of a sliding scale.
- Show up with clean data.
- The most damaging emotion right now is righteous indignation.
- Introverted Feeling (Fi) needs to be tempered with Ti or we will lose our way.
- Fi idealism can become its weakness if it tries to foist that off on others.
- Extreme social shame if someone isn’t on the same level.
- Muscle people into the right behavior.
- Ti won’t do that. It’s not sustainable. Ti is seeking the sustainable truth. Muscling someone with social censure is not a viable tool. That’s more like Fe gone wrong.
- Ti is showing us a more accurate perception of where we are in the stream of time.
- Dial back that indignation. Get more precise collectively
- Car Model
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First off, interesting podcast! I liked the ideas discussed and found it to be good food for thought. I was thinking about Joel’s comment about how people on the east coast don’t properly utilize the left lane and this is such a huge pet peeve of mine I had to comment on it! But I also wanted to mention that I’m from the Midwest, outside of Chicago and it is much better there, but I believe because we are instructed to drive that way and there are even signs in the Midwest that say “Left lane is a passing lane.” So maybe it’s just a matter of lack of communication to the driving public. Also different parts of the US are different culturally, which we discovered in this election! While the heavily populated cities and areas may take on a more “p” persona (DC, NYC, LA, SAN FRAN etc.), I do wonder if elsewhere in the US they are still j centric as well. :)
Thought I would jump in With regard to Trump. The theory is that he is a ESTP. As an ENTP I share the same copilot and 10 year old function with him. So even though our drivers are very different and therefore create very different motives and purposes I can totally see him being a Ti user. Here is why.
1. Ti as a copilot is not the most comfortable place to sit. I much prefer my Ne. I have to intentially go there. The same with Trump. He obviously prefers his Se. And it has served his purposes in life so he hasn’t really developed his Ti as he should.2. Our Ti is used to support our driver functions. For me that means that Ne is my first choice and I take in all the information I can and use Ti to analyze and determine what makes the most sense. I don’t start with accuracy of information. The primary goal is just the information. Se is concerned with experiences. He isn’t primarily concerned with the accuracy or what makes sense in that experience.
3. Fe as a ten year old can be SUPER manipulative when mixed with TI. I know that when I am in a crappy place emotionally or in relationships or just feeling contrary I will manipulate the heck out of the nearest person with my words. I will argue you into a corner using all the “logic” I have acquired on whatever situation I am in. And I am good at it. That doesn’t mean I am being truthful but I can convince you that I am. My mom has to remind me that I have a talent with words and logic that other people don’t have and that it gives me an unfair advantage that I use to bully them if I am not careful. Fe is also really defensive in this position. I know when personality hacker talks defensive they don’t necessarily mean defensive literally but that is is what happens when I feel attacked. I get emotionally manipulative toward people and can make you feel guilty. And even when I like you I can manipulate pretty well. even though I have an EQ that sucks when I want to I can make you think you are the most amazing thing on the entire planet if I want to.
Wow, I sound like a horrible person! Just FYI these are the worst of Ti copilot Fe 10 year old characteristics. There are some really awesome things about this combo too. So my point is that Using Ti doesn’t mean we are proficient at it all the time. And it doesn’t mean we aren’t emotional. I would say trump is stuck in a Se/Fe loop and hasn’t really hacked his Ti very much. But you can see the vestiges of it.
Thanks for the feedback, Jonathan! We appreciate you. :)
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Ti users usually try to find incongruence in people’s logic. Having accurate data will be important for analysis. The whole point is analysis without emotions.
Dominant Te users focuses more on efficiency in making decisions. The focus here is ‘efficiency in making decisions’s, thus they are usually result-oriented. Ti users are usually process-oriented people in which they often try to make sure their analysis is not biased.
By the way, this website is great! I’m from Singapore, I/ESTP (Long story). It’s usually hard to find S people to be interested in MBTI, thus the majority of replies are often Ns.