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In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the goddess archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the vulnerable goddesses in everywoman.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Animas and Anima – Feminine and Masculine Archetypes
  • Goddesses in Everywoman by Jean Bolen
  • Gods in Everyman by Jean Bolen
  • Vulnerable Goddesses
  • Last episode on virgin goddesses
  • This podcast we are discussing the three vulnerable goddesses
  • They are vulnerable because they find their fulfillment in relationships with others.
  • Vulnerable goddesses are marked by a diffuse awareness instead of the targeted consciousness of the virgin goddesses
  • Vulnerable goddesses keep their perceptions open and can observe the dynamics around them
  • We are questioning the traditional roles of women today, so the vulnerable goddesses may give us some feminine aspects that we have begun to push away.
  • Less about empowerment talk and more about tendencies that may sneak up on us.
  • All three of the vulnerable goddesses were victimized: raped, abducted, humiliated, etc.
  • 3 vulnerable goddesses:
    • Hera – goddess of marriage
    • Demeter – goddess of grain, harvest, and motherhood
    • Persephone – 2 phases: Girl element of all women, and Queen of the Underworld
  • Hera – Goddess of Marriage
    • Hestia’s sister.
    • Consort of Zeus.
    • All stories in Greek mythology reference Zeus. He is the great liberator.
    • She was revered on one side as an ancient, powerful goddess and denigrated as a jealous woman.
    • She was perpetually being cheated on by Zeus
    • Her relationship to her children was ambivalent
    • Strong jealous streak
    • The part of the feminine energy that wants to be a mate in a committed relationship
    • Bride-Zilla – marriage day is the most important day of their life
    • The Bachelor
    • A lot of US President wives have Hera energy
    • We tend to denigrate sticking with a situation through hard times
    • There can be positivity in sticking with someone when things get bad.
    • There is a dark side to the vulnerability of these goddesses
    • If you have Hera energy make sure you are not staying in an abusive relationship in an attempt to honor vows
    • Hera archetypes have traditional views of femininity and definite ideas of male/female roles
    • Heras need to develop independence and competence so they can build self-reliance
    • Artemis or Athena energy would be good for a Hera to develop
    • Hera archetypes can also create more connections to women alone – not just other wives
    • Support structures are essential for Hera archetypes
  • Demeter – Goddess of grain and the harvest
    • Demeter is the mother of Persephone – they are very intertwined.
    • Demeter is most known for her search for Persephone after she was abducted and raped by Hades
    • Demeter asked Zeus to bring back Persephone and Zeus said he had sanctioned the abduction
    • Demeter – Zeus’s consort – became incredibly grieved
    • All harvest and growth died until she got Persephone back.
    • Demeter energy is the type of woman who defines herself in her role as mother
    • Not uncommon for such women to get to a certain age and start feeling like something is missing if they don’t have a child
    • Not all women feel this way
    • The Demeter archetype can be missing when some women have children, and they have to work hard on developing that mother energy
    • These energies can arise at different times of life
    • Demeter energy can also exist in men.
    • ISFJ man who fosters terminal children
    • Demeter was persistent. She made people suffer until Persephone was returned to her.
    • There are a lot of mothers who have created a lot of resources for special needs children because of their persistence.
    • Forrest Gump’s mother
    • There can be a dark side of Demeter
    • Netflix documentary: Mommy Dead and Dearest
    • Demeter archetypes can create illnesses in children to keep them dependent
    • Smother
    • A Demeter can adopt some Virgin Goddess energy to help them develop lives outside of their mother roles so their children can build independence
    • Demeters are very woman-oriented, unlike Hera archetypes
    • Foster care or social movements are also good energetic focuses for a Demeter
    • They tend toward co-dependent relationships and can end up passive aggressive
    • Boundaries and independence are essential to Demeter archetypes
    • Athena energy would be good for a Demeter.
    • Self-parenting
    • It’s better to have an equal partner in a relationship, not just a dependent
    • When Demeter was looking for Persephone, she was raped by Poseidon
    • She was so focused on her child she put herself in a vulnerable position
    • Demeters need to take care of their needs
  • Persephone – young girl and queen of the underworld
    • Two very different phases
    • All women have experienced a Persephone energy as young girls
    • Persephone was guileless and naive which left her open to abduction
    • After Persephone’s experience, she is much wiser. No longer an innocent young girl
    • After she was abducted and brought to the underworld, Zeus dispatched Hermes to get Persephone so Demeter would let things grow again
    • Persephone had eaten from a pomegranate, so she was forced to spend part of the year in the Underworld
    • She told Demeter she was forced to eat the pomegranate, but she did so willingly
    • She was no longer the innocent child. She is savvier.
    • Then she gets to a place where she understands the dark psychological space
    • Queen of the Underworld is a compelling title for someone who started out as a naive girl
    • Sylvia Plath Bell Jar
    • Persephone becomes the concierge of the underworld
    • Young girls who experience trauma thru no fault of their own can go from wide-eyed innocence to profound psychological depths
    • Such ones become mediums or Shamans and are obsessed with death and the supernatural
    • Sansa Stark (Game of Thrones) is a very Persephone type character: young, innocent, victimized, raped, and now is a powerful queen.
    • In the modern world, we can extend childhood and innocence longer than previously
    • Systemic protections expire at a certain age, and yet the transition to adulthood hasn’t happened in some people.
    • They are left sitting ducks without the ability to make decisions and without the systemic protections they enjoyed as children.
    • We don’t honor commitments as we used to and Persephone flourishes in that context because she doesn’t want to mature.
    • There are a lot of Persephones that are holding onto their girlhood instead of making the transition to Queen of the Underworld.
    • It doesn’t have to be trauma; it can just be tackling the challenges of the real world
    • When that doesn’t happen, Persephone archetypes can become devious because they don’t feel powerful they feel powerless
    • They don’t know what else to do but be devious to keep currying the favor of the ones they need to protect them
    • They can also become quite narcissistic.
    • Persephone was looking at the narcissus flower when she was abducted.
    • They can become self-consumed to get the favor and protection they need from the outside world
    • Young girls on social media with all the seductive selfies
    • Not authentic, mature seductiveness
    • “If I’m hot enough, I may never have to get a job. Someone rich will marry me.”
    • Even men have a Persephone energy
    • Becoming Queen of the Underworld can be scary, but that is the power of a Persephone.
    • They reconcile those darker parts with the reality of the world and show those more profound insights to others
    • Lena Dunham’s show “Girls”
    • It’s never a good idea to be fully one goddess.
    • We want a seasoning of other types to prevent an extreme expression of a single goddess archetype
    • If Persephone doesn’t grow up, she will create a dynamic with the world where it feels like it needs to protect her
    • It is Persephone’s job to defend herself, find her power, and become Queen of the Underworld.
  • We are in a very virgin goddess period. Very Artemis.
  • The vulnerable goddess archetypes are within us for a reason.
  • We tap into compassion, kindness, love, and imagination with the vulnerable goddesses
  • The ideal is to develop the virgin and vulnerable goddesses together
  • There are a lot of different energies in the world. Honor people’s differences.
  • The alchemical goddess Aphrodite is next.

 In this episode Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the goddess archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the vulnerable goddesses in everywoman. #goddess #archetype

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  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • July 18, 2018 at 1:41 am

    What a great observation! I love that these archetypes seem to touch a lot of other models. I can’t help but see overlapping patterns all over the place.


  • Naomi Most
    • Naomi Most
    • July 17, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    What an excellent focal point for discussion of archetypes!

    I’ve been into Greek Mythology since I was a small child, and just last year finally visited Greece. I spent the most time exploring the museums and important sites through the lens of story patterns and narratives, watching closely how the stories impact history and vice versa.

    There is a rich intellectual vein here.

  • Lila
    • Lila
    • July 18, 2018 at 12:34 am

    Two super interesting podcasts. I honestly could not pick one of these. I’m a little bit of Artemis in my solitude, Hestia when a friend is in need, Persephone when I am threatened, Aphrodite when I am under the influence and Demeter when I am lonely. All over the place so I took a quiz and got Athena…Ha! The only one with whose story/description I don’t identify.

    I merely wonder, as an INTP woman, what archetype to tap into to feel the most feminine energy. For instance, I have an ESTP male friend that is probably the most interesting human being I will ever meet. I am far too dominant or masculine in my headspace for him to feel drawn to in a sort of protective sense like I would prefer. Although we are very close, I perceive that he finds me to be more of an unbiased entity for his self-development rather than a feminine energy because most of our discussions are centered around understanding each other, society, and other philosophical discussions. What tools could I use to just become this more receptive, vulnerable person toward him while still maintaining the lively, deep interchange we enjoy?

  • Laura
    • Laura
    • July 16, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    When I was listening I couldn’t help but notice that the types of goddesses seem to align well with attachment types. The virgins align well with avoidant types. The vulnerables align with preoccupied anxious. Waiting to see if the last aligns with secure.

  • Cornelia
    • Cornelia
    • July 16, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    I had such a strong reaction to this podcast! I knew beforehand that I was most likely to identify with one of the vulnerable goddesses, with my limited knowledge of Greek mythology I suspected I had a lot of Demeter in me. What you said about the Demeter archetype does resonate with me to some extent, but when you started talking about Persephone something really struck a chord. I felt so much anger towards Demeter. She should have taught Persephone to be vigilant and pay attention, or if she absolutely wanted to keep Persephone an innocent child she should have been there to protect her. These were my immediate thoughts when hearing Persephones story. Since the age of 3 I have struggled with severe depression, my entire childhood and adolescence was marked by it, and it has made me very aware about mental health, pain, and struggles. Through therapy I have been able to trace my depression back to my mothers inconsistent on/off affection and attentiveness. There are so many parallels to the relationship between Demeter and Persephone in the relationship between my mother and I. This was very interesting, and something I will have to think more about. Thank you for the episode!

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