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In this episode, Joel and Antonia go on a journey of discovery where they showcase the need for positively expressed Introverted Feeling in today’s world.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- The Wire (HBO)
- Introverted Intuition (Ni) “Perspectives”
- Ni is a perceiving process
- Dominant function for INTJs & INFJs
- Copilot function for ENTJs & ENFJs
- Real understanding without the depth of intimacy that Fi feels.
- Ni feels objective. Understanding for understanding sake without empathy.
- Being able to understand someone is different from validating their feelings.
- Compassion can be the result, but it’s not the mechanism Ni uses when understanding another person’s perspective.
- Ni gives us the ability to study things dispassionately
- NTJs are more likely to look at everything in concepts of systems.
- NFJs are more likely to look at people as systems.
- But both can play both sides.
- It’s about removing the individual’s personal feelings, so those feelings don’t create bias.
- To get underneath what is happening
- Fully clocked Ni is a simulation of Se which observes reality as it comes.
- Instead of outside world sensory info (Se), Ni simulates that process internally.
- Entire realities created within itself.
- If some of our language around Ni sounds like Ti and Fi, remember that T/F are judging functions. N/S are learning functions.
- Ti is looking for truth
- Fi is looking for intent/desire
- Ni doesn’t want anything. It follows its internal bliss and allows things to surface as it will.
- It has the intent of insight, but it doesn’t want anything. It’s just observing.
- Ni is captured by simulated reality.
- Si has a past orientation. Impressions built over time. Experiential.
- Ni doesn’t have to experience something. It takes what it understands about sensory stimuli and creates simulations of reality.
- Why does the world need Ni?
- Black Mirror (Netflix) looks at how technology advances to dystopian futures.
- Ni developed to assist survival situations.
- What does it look like if this happens?
- Ni gives us the importance of consequences.
- Ni can run the simulation and share it in a way that others can understand.
- What will happen down the line if I knock this domino over here?
- Ni taps into the depth of imagination.
- Ni looks at the fundamental principles of the human mind.
- How do minds operate? What are the patterns that the human mind tends to attach?
- Fi: “Whatever is most personal is most universal.”
- Ni: “The macro reflects the micro, and the micro reflects the macro.”
- We have a lot of disagreements right now; Ni can help bridge the gap to create a simulated shared reality.
- For Fi, it understands the power of narrative, and if it doesn’t dive deep into its intent and motivation, it can start to manipulate the power of narrative to get what it wants.
- Getting to that dispassionate place is hard for NJs (especially NFJs).
- NJs mind has given them a place to go to create psychological distance from people.
- Ni can keep shifting perspectives until it finds one it likes.
- “I’ll just find a perspective where I’m happy.”
- What crosses supports you.
- All of our strengths can be turned against ourselves.
- Ni can get so lost in its simulations that it doesn’t bring its gifts to the world. It just stays in a place that isn’t good because it can make peace with it… for a time.
- The world needs sophisticated Ni to keep the gift of being able to see multiple perspectives and run simulations of worlds that haven’t been created.
- The world needs Ni.
- We are entering a more complex world. We cannot know what is going to happen.
- We aren’t going to make it as the human race unless we have a future perspective showing us where we are heading.
- Ni in the backseat can still give you a future paced viewpoint.
- ESTP: “Some people don’t know they’re alive unless they’re in pain.”
- They understand that people come with certain mindsets.
- Fi can hold space for the darkness of the heart.
- Ti can hold space for people’s darker thoughts.
- Ni can hold space for people’s mindsets that aren’t serving them.
- Si can hold space for people with dark pasts.
- Ni taps into how we talk to ourselves.
- Ni users love NLP: How our minds construct reality.
- ePrime
- Inner dialogue is not the same as inner narrative.
- Tap into the inner dialogue and the way you use words to describe your reality.
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Ne thinks in possibilities, but it is hampered in its ability to run simulations. That’s why it acts much quicker than Ni – it pattern recognizes as it’s in motion. And as the other side of the Ne/Si polarity, it pulls on the past to navigate the novelty it has now introduced into its life.
Running a simulation of how the future will look isn’t an Ne/Si polarity strength. There are many Black Mirror episodes that deal in the realm of Ne/Si (for instance, the episode where people could record literally every interaction and review it/get lost in it), but the actual forecasting of how the future would look with these kinds of technologies available is an Ni simulation.
I don’t know the best-fit type of the show creator. I haven’t met them personally.
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Interesting, as I have also experienced an INFJ I know seeming to have a hard time swim perspectives. I don’t know if I’m just biased though, as this person is a family member.
As an INTJ, yes this is a very good explanation of the Ni process. I also agree that the term “simulation” may be overloaded in this case and confusing people, best to separate it out as you did.
You had some comments elsewhere that asked how Ni users can have both a singular vision yet perspective shift. That’s because Ni is about seeing a idea/ thing/circumstance/scenario from all points of view, and distilling it into it’s essence by relating it against it’s map of other distilled, abstract ideas. And it’s detached because it looks at things not just from individual human points of view, but also largely from the points of view of the systems that fed into that situation (and humans are just systems, really).
But at the end of the day, after spending the time to see all sides and building up this map of how all the systems of the world and human society works, we still have our own personal belief (from our judging functions) of how the world could be better. And it’s so obvious to us how to achieve that better world, just change these systems around and voila no more poverty! An end to climate change! So simple, so easy, can’t the external world just do that? That’s where there singular pigheadedness comes from.
The more sophisticated Ni becomes the more nuanced it’s understanding of systems in the world and why everyone can’t just. Do that. I wish though Lol.
I know Joel and Antonia gave an example of a TV show in which simulation building involved examining how the drug trade influenced different aspects of an entire city. I don’t think that simulation has to be done on such a grand scale, or be so impersonal. As an example, I remember that I used to make games for my family members to play at Christmas time in order to receive their gifts. One such game was a quiz question: “John and Sally are walking into a department store, and John decides to give some cash to the Salvation Army donation receiver outside the store. List three possible reasons that he may have done this.” I would consider this is a simulation too, but’s it’s much more personal.
I was excited to read this comment, because it was almost my exact same thought process while listening to the podcast. When I heard that there’s going to be a podcast on all eight functions my mind translated it into ‘Oh great! A podcast on INFJs and their use of introverted intuition.’ Then I started listening to the podcast and got so upset when the topic of empathy came up that I actually stopped to the podcast and curled up next to my husband telling him how upset I was because Antonia and Joel said I’m a cold person that doesn’t use empathy. It took me two days to realise that the podcast wasn’t about INFJs and their empathy, it was on introverted intuition.
It was hard to listen to you talk about how introverted feeling is somehow closer to the heart than introverted intuition, but I think it was harder for INFJs to listen to, not for INTJs (who maybe were happy to hear that they’re connecting to people cognitively and that’s appreciated by people around them). I may be wrong here – but introverted feeling looks much more similar in different types using this function than introverted intuition, which is used by both ‘thinkers’ and ‘feelers’. For very emphatic INFJs it was probably hard to hear that their Driver isn’t an empathy function. That’s true, but for an INFJ constantly mixing introverted intuition with extraverted feeling it never feels like that. We’re deeply affected by everything, and I think it rubs us the wrong way to hear that we have a non-feeling Driver function. That means you’re right in saying introverted intuition is a function trying to understand without emotion involved, but that’s not how INFJS use it, and even after listening to the podcast twice I still can’t summarise why you think introverted intuition as used by an INFJ is appreciated.
Maybe it would have been better to distinguish between Thinkers and Feelers using this function? Introverted Feeling used as a Driver or Co-pilot is always seen in Feelers, so it’s easier to compare the different types here.
Another thing I noticed is that in the last podcast, Introverted Feeling was really appreciated, and in this one there was a lot of (what felt like) criticism. The unhealthy version of Fi wasn’t really mentioned, but it was definitely repeatedly pointed out what unhealthy Ni shows up like and why that’s not cool.