Podcast – Episode 0338 – The Tools: Reversal Of Desire (Part 1)

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the book “The Tools” and discuss the first tool: The Reversal Of Desire.


In this podcast you’ll find:

  • We stay in comfort zones and avoid doing the things that’ll move us forward.
  • Self esteem comes from pushing through discomfort to see changes.
  • This book –The Tools by Phil Shultz and Barry Michels teaches 5 steps to help drive these changes.
  • The 1st tool – reversal of desire.
  • Addressing the self sabotage in your comfort zone.
  • What are the narratives we have around our comfort zones?
  • How can we reverse the desire to be comfortable or avoid pain?
    • The wall metaphor
    • The role faith plays in using this tool
  • When do you need this tool? 2 cues to pay attention.
  • A visualization tool to try out.
  • A note on “exception thinking”.
  • Signs you’re on the right path.
  • “Higher forces” and energy movement in relation to this tool.
  • Why the act of getting out of your comfort zone is ground breaking.
  • How much in your life is designed to keep you comfortable?
    • Suggestions for breaking out of that level of comfort
  • The idea of being “not you”.
    • Why this doesn’t mean going against your values
    • Who is the person on the other side of your comfort zone?

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  • Sandi

    I just ordered the Kindle version of the book. Can’t wait to dive in. I’m an infp & am very comfortable not challenging myself & I realize it’s a problem & I won’t ever realize my potential unless I make some changes. Thank you for all so to encourage and support others.

  • Imena

    Thank you very much for this ! Very interesting and so educational! Thank you guys !

  • Laurita

    This has been and I anticipate is going to be soooo good! Thank you for affirming and encouraging listeners and I look forward to hearing the podcasts to come ♥️♥️♥️

  • Johannes

    This was so interesting that I bought the book.

    But this kind of exercise is very hard for me to do since I can’t picture things in my mind visually. For example, when I close my eyes, there is just black. I can’t make a cloud (or anything else) appear.

    Has anyone come across any way to do this and other similar things without a visual component?

    • Joel Mark Witt

      Thanks Johannes for the comment. I too have a difficult time with visualizations.

      In NLP they talk about using different modalities – visual – auditory – kinesthetic.

      Some people have an easier time using audio or body feelings in place of visualizations.

      I am kinesthetic. I tend to imagine my body on a feeling level when doing these exercises. I feel the swoosh of the energy moving rather than seeing it. Sometimes I can also tap into the audio of what this experience may sound like.

      If it’s a visual exercise I will setup props in my backyard to represent mental images I’m supposed to be seeing in my mind. I leave my eyes open and literally walk over them or push against them instead of just using my imagination in my head. I bring my imagination into the physical realm. Feels silly at first – but really works for me.

      Try playing with other modalities and see what happens. Wish you the best.

      • Johannes

        Thank you Joel, that is very helpful!

    • Linda

      I believe the condition you have is aphantasia. I have it too,

  • Jim

    I enjoyed the episode! Seems like there’s a lot of parallels between the reversal of desire concept and the outdoor and climbing community’s outlook on suffering. One example of that is the tounge-in-cheek slang term “type II fun”, which is anything that’s miserable while doing it but then rewarding in hindsight. Look up the short films “How to Run 100 Miles” or “Sufferfest” to see how the outdoor community integrates the concept. Thanks for clueing me into this book!

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