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In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Women: Girl, Woman, Grandmother (crone)
  • Men: Father, Son
  • Some men always express father energy whereas other men may gravitate toward son energy even late in life.
  • Tension points exist between these two energies that are not present between the goddess cycles
  • No matter how powerful a man is, his son will succeed him.
  • Ego is self-referential and understands its existence.
  • At some point, we will die, and our ego sees that as the most horrible thing that could ever happen.
  • We pass our genes on to our offspring since we cannot survive but we tend to want to download our ego into our children, so they replicate our experiences.
  • Lots of stories are told about the push and pull between father and son
  • Bolen’s perspective of the patriarchal archetypes may be colored by her time.
  • Father Gods:
    • Zeus
    • Poseidon
    • Hades
  • One Father God Energy expressed in 3 ways.
  • Zeus is the God of the sky
    • His brothers are Poseidon and Hades
    • Their father was Cronos who swallowed all his children so they wouldn’t overthrow him
    • Zeus mother gives Cronos a rock to swallow instead of Zeus
    • Zeus and his brothers kill their father and divide up the world
    • Zeus gets the sky
    • Poseidon the sea
    • Hades the underworld
    • Zeus has more compassion for his offspring than his father
    • He also has some dark aspects
    • He liked to establish his realm, which may show up as alpha male tendencies
    • He sees the forest over the trees.
    • Might makes right
    • Fear of being targeted or overthrown
    • HBO “Succession”
    • Zeus archetypes have a protective streak for anyone under their domain
    • The Old Testament God from the Bible has a very Zeus-like quality – obedience or punishment
    • “Game of Thrones” – Ned Stark is a positive representation of a Zeus archetype
    • There are elements of this archetype that make people uncomfortable
    • These god archetypes come from a time where rape and murder were common.
    • These attitudes can be recontextualized to our modern day as someone who takes what they want.
    • Ambition
    • The difference between father gods and son gods is that son gods are all marked by a need for approval, whereas father gods do not seek approval from anyone but themselves.
    • The father god doesn’t check in with anyone but himself.
    • When a man embodies the archetypical Zeus energy he doesn’t feel accountable to anyone else but himself
    • His path to growth is to have some rigor around his character and avoid the tendency toward tyrannical ownership.
    • Zeus is a sky god, so he tends to intellectualize everything which prevents him from engaging directly with his choices.
    • Zeus archetypes need to remember not to be too disconnected
    • Zeus feels very Te/Fi (Extraverted Thinking/Introverted Feeling)
    • He sees the world as a resource then sees himself as the center of the universe
    • Code of conduct
    • Growth for Zeus comes thru a crisis
    • Could be a literal heart attack that sets off a shift or a heart attack of love that forces him to reevaluate
    • Growth is forced upon Zeus. He isn’t out looking for growth.
    • Zeus needs to be less judgmental and distant.
    • Foster better relationships with family.
    • Willing to be foolish and vulnerable
  • Poseidon is almost the exact opposite of Zeus
    • He is swallowed with his siblings and later vomited back up
    • He is the god of water which symbolizes emotion
    • Poseidon can barely contain fits of rage or lust
    • Bearded and holding a trident
    • Ill-tempered, violent, vindictive, dangerous, womanizer, philanderer
    • Children have many of the same characteristics as he does
    • Still waters run deep
    • Poseidon archetype is driven to be somebody important, but he doesn’t have what it takes to create a kingdom as Zeus does
    • Eye for an eye
    • He also has a capacity for deep loyalty and emotional depth
    • Deepest levels of human emotion
    • Hollywood has a high number of men who depict this archetype – actors, writers, directors
    • Zeus archetype will be more likely in banking and big business
    • Bolen may be a bit harsh to Poseidon
    • In a context where emotion is approved, there is no reason why a Poseidon shouldn’t be emotionally stable
    • Poseidon’s gift is that he can be in touch with his emotions without attaching it to the approval of others.
    • Authentic emotional expression
    • Men can be masculine and emotional at the same time
    • Steve Jobs could have been a Poseidon – intense emotion channeled toward his visions
    • Bolen paints Poseidon as perpetually insecure because he played second fiddle to Zeus but that isn’t always the case
    • These leadership qualities as represented in these God archetypes are incredibly important
    • There is some hostility toward father god energy right now
    • These archetypes keep coming up over and over again. We can’t wash them out of society
    • We can express greater kindness through these father god energies
  • Hades
    • Brother of Zeus and Poseidon
    • Eaten by father and vomited back up to overthrow his father with his brothers
    • Given the underworld
    • He was feared as sky god energy began to dominate
    • The underworld wasn’t initially a dark, dangerous place, but it became so as the sky god became more prominent
    • Hades had no children
    • The biggest mythological story of Hades is the abduction and rape of Persephone
    • Hades is reclusive. He doesn’t have a persona. He feels invisible, unseen, depressed
    • A man who embodies Hades can be very recluse with men and women
    • Not a lot of friends but can be deeply connected to somebody if he finds a soulmate
    • Rich fantasy life
    • Struggle with being a loner
    • Distorts reality based upon his inner world
    • Hades is that introverted quality inside of us that understands significance and death
    • Ask significant questions about themselves and go deep into the shadow of the self
    • Poseidon would be more like a Feeler whereas Hades would be more IJ, or using Introverted Intuition.
    • A rich inner world doesn’t have to be voyeuristic.
    • Tolkien created an incredible world based on his inner vision
    • Such a rich world inside that the outside world starts looking colorless
    • A Poseidon might gain more territory in art and expression, whereas Hades territory is the inner world
    • Lots to explore inside the human psyche
    • Hades archetypes are usually into writing, history, psychiatry, etc.
    • They are willing to touch on things that others consider macabre
    • Edgar Allen Poe
    • Willingness to go to the places others are spooked by
    • Bolen’s growth strategies for Hades are creating an interface with the world to be more acceptable.
    • Partner up with a Persephone that can help Hades interface with the world
  • All of these Father God aspects are complementary to one another
  • If one of these fathers gods seem predominant than balance it out with some of the other two
  • One way a Zeus can grow is by getting more in touch with the emotional aspects of their personality
  • Or grow some awareness about the deep unconscious as in Hades
  • Trinity of 3 different energies in one. Trident
  • These archetypal energies are a bit under attack
  • When they are expressed aggressively, it is hard to remember that there are good aspects of these energies
  • Leadership is important
  • The greatest gift this energy can give us is the positive leadership qualities that are attached to good character
  • Men or women can manifest these energies
  • This father god energy represents the encouragement to self-approve
  • Remember to honor this energy. Control it. Don’t let it overpower you. Do it for good. Be accountable
  • If we take, we also have to give
  • The best way to create territory is by having people want to follow you.
  • Being a good leader will get you the domain you desire.
  • Sky, ocean, underworld – not much on the earth
  • If you identify with one of these, remember you need to come up from the depths of the world or the ocean and get real
  • Or you may need to come down from Mt. Olympus and be more pragmatic
  • What can bring you up from the surface or down from the mountain to be the leader we need?

In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman. #podcast #Greekgods #archetypes

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  • Ash
    • Ash
    • July 31, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    I wonder if being judged a bit more harshly for one’s mistakes is part and parcel with identifying strongly with an archetype that packs a lot of real-world punch? For instance, if Hades messes up, does it really happen if no one sees it? But for people who tend to manage large quantities of people and resources, SO many people are affected by it, it’s tough not to perceive them as “worse” for it. (Athena, Zeus, etc)

    Maybe it’s one of those “with great privilege comes great responsibility” things. If the high-profile Zeuses who came before a person were responsible, you get to enjoy an immense amount of unearned respect/privilege/trust when you show up with that energy. And if the Zeuses who preceded you were terrible, (perhaps equally unearned and unfairly) new people with that energy have to dig themselves out of the crater.

    Maybe it’s just part of packing thunderbolts ;P

  • Mona
    • Mona
    • July 31, 2018 at 8:24 am

    I’m INTJ girl and I strongly identify with Hades and Zeus, even stronger than with goddesses in previous podcasts.
    Although I see myself in Athena and Hera as well as in Hestia and Artemis. This will explain why at the age of 31 I’m childless and my ambition is to help the world through business and projects that are align with my values of clean environment and clever food management.
    My partner is ENTP and he identifies himself with Poseidon and Hades. He has desire of making strong emotional impact through games and music and chemistry.
    This relationship is interesting because we are the shadows of each other due to MBTI.
    I found this podcast especially useful as recently I’m looking to embrace and appreciate our differences.

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