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In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Women: Girl, Woman, Grandmother (crone)
  • Men: Father, Son
  • Some men always express father energy whereas other men may gravitate toward son energy even late in life.
  • Tension points exist between these two energies that are not present between the goddess cycles
  • No matter how powerful a man is, his son will succeed him.
  • Ego is self-referential and understands its existence.
  • At some point, we will die, and our ego sees that as the most horrible thing that could ever happen.
  • We pass our genes on to our offspring since we cannot survive but we tend to want to download our ego into our children, so they replicate our experiences.
  • Lots of stories are told about the push and pull between father and son
  • Bolen’s perspective of the patriarchal archetypes may be colored by her time.
  • Father Gods:
    • Zeus
    • Poseidon
    • Hades
  • One Father God Energy expressed in 3 ways.
  • Zeus is the God of the sky
    • His brothers are Poseidon and Hades
    • Their father was Cronos who swallowed all his children so they wouldn’t overthrow him
    • Zeus mother gives Cronos a rock to swallow instead of Zeus
    • Zeus and his brothers kill their father and divide up the world
    • Zeus gets the sky
    • Poseidon the sea
    • Hades the underworld
    • Zeus has more compassion for his offspring than his father
    • He also has some dark aspects
    • He liked to establish his realm, which may show up as alpha male tendencies
    • He sees the forest over the trees.
    • Might makes right
    • Fear of being targeted or overthrown
    • HBO “Succession”
    • Zeus archetypes have a protective streak for anyone under their domain
    • The Old Testament God from the Bible has a very Zeus-like quality – obedience or punishment
    • “Game of Thrones” – Ned Stark is a positive representation of a Zeus archetype
    • There are elements of this archetype that make people uncomfortable
    • These god archetypes come from a time where rape and murder were common.
    • These attitudes can be recontextualized to our modern day as someone who takes what they want.
    • Ambition
    • The difference between father gods and son gods is that son gods are all marked by a need for approval, whereas father gods do not seek approval from anyone but themselves.
    • The father god doesn’t check in with anyone but himself.
    • When a man embodies the archetypical Zeus energy he doesn’t feel accountable to anyone else but himself
    • His path to growth is to have some rigor around his character and avoid the tendency toward tyrannical ownership.
    • Zeus is a sky god, so he tends to intellectualize everything which prevents him from engaging directly with his choices.
    • Zeus archetypes need to remember not to be too disconnected
    • Zeus feels very Te/Fi (Extraverted Thinking/Introverted Feeling)
    • He sees the world as a resource then sees himself as the center of the universe
    • Code of conduct
    • Growth for Zeus comes thru a crisis
    • Could be a literal heart attack that sets off a shift or a heart attack of love that forces him to reevaluate
    • Growth is forced upon Zeus. He isn’t out looking for growth.
    • Zeus needs to be less judgmental and distant.
    • Foster better relationships with family.
    • Willing to be foolish and vulnerable
  • Poseidon is almost the exact opposite of Zeus
    • He is swallowed with his siblings and later vomited back up
    • He is the god of water which symbolizes emotion
    • Poseidon can barely contain fits of rage or lust
    • Bearded and holding a trident
    • Ill-tempered, violent, vindictive, dangerous, womanizer, philanderer
    • Children have many of the same characteristics as he does
    • Still waters run deep
    • Poseidon archetype is driven to be somebody important, but he doesn’t have what it takes to create a kingdom as Zeus does
    • Eye for an eye
    • He also has a capacity for deep loyalty and emotional depth
    • Deepest levels of human emotion
    • Hollywood has a high number of men who depict this archetype – actors, writers, directors
    • Zeus archetype will be more likely in banking and big business
    • Bolen may be a bit harsh to Poseidon
    • In a context where emotion is approved, there is no reason why a Poseidon shouldn’t be emotionally stable
    • Poseidon’s gift is that he can be in touch with his emotions without attaching it to the approval of others.
    • Authentic emotional expression
    • Men can be masculine and emotional at the same time
    • Steve Jobs could have been a Poseidon – intense emotion channeled toward his visions
    • Bolen paints Poseidon as perpetually insecure because he played second fiddle to Zeus but that isn’t always the case
    • These leadership qualities as represented in these God archetypes are incredibly important
    • There is some hostility toward father god energy right now
    • These archetypes keep coming up over and over again. We can’t wash them out of society
    • We can express greater kindness through these father god energies
  • Hades
    • Brother of Zeus and Poseidon
    • Eaten by father and vomited back up to overthrow his father with his brothers
    • Given the underworld
    • He was feared as sky god energy began to dominate
    • The underworld wasn’t initially a dark, dangerous place, but it became so as the sky god became more prominent
    • Hades had no children
    • The biggest mythological story of Hades is the abduction and rape of Persephone
    • Hades is reclusive. He doesn’t have a persona. He feels invisible, unseen, depressed
    • A man who embodies Hades can be very recluse with men and women
    • Not a lot of friends but can be deeply connected to somebody if he finds a soulmate
    • Rich fantasy life
    • Struggle with being a loner
    • Distorts reality based upon his inner world
    • Hades is that introverted quality inside of us that understands significance and death
    • Ask significant questions about themselves and go deep into the shadow of the self
    • Poseidon would be more like a Feeler whereas Hades would be more IJ, or using Introverted Intuition.
    • A rich inner world doesn’t have to be voyeuristic.
    • Tolkien created an incredible world based on his inner vision
    • Such a rich world inside that the outside world starts looking colorless
    • A Poseidon might gain more territory in art and expression, whereas Hades territory is the inner world
    • Lots to explore inside the human psyche
    • Hades archetypes are usually into writing, history, psychiatry, etc.
    • They are willing to touch on things that others consider macabre
    • Edgar Allen Poe
    • Willingness to go to the places others are spooked by
    • Bolen’s growth strategies for Hades are creating an interface with the world to be more acceptable.
    • Partner up with a Persephone that can help Hades interface with the world
  • All of these Father God aspects are complementary to one another
  • If one of these fathers gods seem predominant than balance it out with some of the other two
  • One way a Zeus can grow is by getting more in touch with the emotional aspects of their personality
  • Or grow some awareness about the deep unconscious as in Hades
  • Trinity of 3 different energies in one. Trident
  • These archetypal energies are a bit under attack
  • When they are expressed aggressively, it is hard to remember that there are good aspects of these energies
  • Leadership is important
  • The greatest gift this energy can give us is the positive leadership qualities that are attached to good character
  • Men or women can manifest these energies
  • This father god energy represents the encouragement to self-approve
  • Remember to honor this energy. Control it. Don’t let it overpower you. Do it for good. Be accountable
  • If we take, we also have to give
  • The best way to create territory is by having people want to follow you.
  • Being a good leader will get you the domain you desire.
  • Sky, ocean, underworld – not much on the earth
  • If you identify with one of these, remember you need to come up from the depths of the world or the ocean and get real
  • Or you may need to come down from Mt. Olympus and be more pragmatic
  • What can bring you up from the surface or down from the mountain to be the leader we need?

In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman. #podcast #Greekgods #archetypes

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  • Charis Branson
    • Charis Branson
    • August 2, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Kristen! Thanks for sharing your feedback on the podcast.

    This podcast will answer your questions re: perceiving vs judging processes:


  • Tine Putzeys
    • Tine Putzeys
    • August 2, 2018 at 7:15 am

    I think one element you may be overlooking when trying to find examples of these energies, is that in order for them to be clear, you are looking at extreme versions. If a character or famous person is not almost a charicature of the god/energy, they probably wouldn’t illustrate your case very well.

    In reality, the men that identify with these energies will likely display a more moderate and thus less controversial version of them.

  • Steve Alden
    • Steve Alden
    • August 1, 2018 at 3:36 am

    Perhaps one reason there aren’t a great deal of positive representations of these archetypes in media, is the conflict their negative traits bring makes for awesome drama!

    I’m reading Jane Eyre at the moment, and could see a positive Hades in Mr Rochester. A character who is brooding, intellectual and prone to nutty outbursts directed at everyone, but who finds a calm, loving equilibrium when Jane rocks in.

  • Kristen
    • Kristen
    • August 1, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    Has it already been elaborated upon in a past podcast, or could it be in a future one, exactly why I/J’s are classified as using an introverted perceiving dominant functions, and I/P’s as introverted judging? It seems to contradict itself how the attitudes of these functions are defined, wouldn’t Perceivers use perceiving dominant functions and Judgers judging functions? In the part of the discussion about Hades and his use of an introverted perceiving function (Ni or Si), I kept coming back to this question and would love to better understand the dichotomy. I’m an INTP and would have to say Hades must be my ‘animus’. I identified strongly with certain aspects of his archetype. But the differences in which I couldn’t identify myself could possibly be due to my dominant function being introverted judging (Ti).

    I can’t wait to hear the rest of this series, it has been so interesting to delve into these god/goddess archetypes and find bits of myself in each of them. Even the “super feminine” ones like Hestia and Aphrodite that I always assumed were my opposite. Thank you for all the research and clear concise explanation, as always!

  • Drew
    • Drew
    • August 1, 2018 at 12:25 am

    During the segment on Zeus, my mind inexplicably jumped to Atticus Finch as a positive example of the archetype. He was obviously a great mind, and oversaw his domain through his career and a willingness to expand his nature of thought throughout the county. Though he had sort of a quiet, nurturing way about him, he seemed to relate to everyone at a distance. Even Scout and Jem were more “means to an end” for him. I think of when Go Set a Watchman was released and there was major controversy over Lee’s decision to mark Atticus as racist. I find this significant because, of what we know from To Kill a Mockingbird, he probably knew this full well, and had even accepted it as a part of his generational influence. The incredible thing here is his insistence of grooming his children—his legacy—to grow beyond that. He had a bird’s-eye view of what he wanted his influence to be, and while he was a progressive of his own generation, he wanted his children to be the progressives of theirs, and so on. (I could go on and on, but I won’t!)

    Another thing I found amazing in this podcast was how much more I related to the Hades archetype than any of the goddess archetypes. Though I firmly identify as a woman, I could /sort of/ see myself in Persephone and Aphrodite, but when I heard the description for Hades, I got that feeling of “oh my god, Big Brother has been studying personality theory.”

    Great episode, and I can’t wait for the rest!

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