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In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Women: Girl, Woman, Grandmother (crone)
  • Men: Father, Son
  • Some men always express father energy whereas other men may gravitate toward son energy even late in life.
  • Tension points exist between these two energies that are not present between the goddess cycles
  • No matter how powerful a man is, his son will succeed him.
  • Ego is self-referential and understands its existence.
  • At some point, we will die, and our ego sees that as the most horrible thing that could ever happen.
  • We pass our genes on to our offspring since we cannot survive but we tend to want to download our ego into our children, so they replicate our experiences.
  • Lots of stories are told about the push and pull between father and son
  • Bolen’s perspective of the patriarchal archetypes may be colored by her time.
  • Father Gods:
    • Zeus
    • Poseidon
    • Hades
  • One Father God Energy expressed in 3 ways.
  • Zeus is the God of the sky
    • His brothers are Poseidon and Hades
    • Their father was Cronos who swallowed all his children so they wouldn’t overthrow him
    • Zeus mother gives Cronos a rock to swallow instead of Zeus
    • Zeus and his brothers kill their father and divide up the world
    • Zeus gets the sky
    • Poseidon the sea
    • Hades the underworld
    • Zeus has more compassion for his offspring than his father
    • He also has some dark aspects
    • He liked to establish his realm, which may show up as alpha male tendencies
    • He sees the forest over the trees.
    • Might makes right
    • Fear of being targeted or overthrown
    • HBO “Succession”
    • Zeus archetypes have a protective streak for anyone under their domain
    • The Old Testament God from the Bible has a very Zeus-like quality – obedience or punishment
    • “Game of Thrones” – Ned Stark is a positive representation of a Zeus archetype
    • There are elements of this archetype that make people uncomfortable
    • These god archetypes come from a time where rape and murder were common.
    • These attitudes can be recontextualized to our modern day as someone who takes what they want.
    • Ambition
    • The difference between father gods and son gods is that son gods are all marked by a need for approval, whereas father gods do not seek approval from anyone but themselves.
    • The father god doesn’t check in with anyone but himself.
    • When a man embodies the archetypical Zeus energy he doesn’t feel accountable to anyone else but himself
    • His path to growth is to have some rigor around his character and avoid the tendency toward tyrannical ownership.
    • Zeus is a sky god, so he tends to intellectualize everything which prevents him from engaging directly with his choices.
    • Zeus archetypes need to remember not to be too disconnected
    • Zeus feels very Te/Fi (Extraverted Thinking/Introverted Feeling)
    • He sees the world as a resource then sees himself as the center of the universe
    • Code of conduct
    • Growth for Zeus comes thru a crisis
    • Could be a literal heart attack that sets off a shift or a heart attack of love that forces him to reevaluate
    • Growth is forced upon Zeus. He isn’t out looking for growth.
    • Zeus needs to be less judgmental and distant.
    • Foster better relationships with family.
    • Willing to be foolish and vulnerable
  • Poseidon is almost the exact opposite of Zeus
    • He is swallowed with his siblings and later vomited back up
    • He is the god of water which symbolizes emotion
    • Poseidon can barely contain fits of rage or lust
    • Bearded and holding a trident
    • Ill-tempered, violent, vindictive, dangerous, womanizer, philanderer
    • Children have many of the same characteristics as he does
    • Still waters run deep
    • Poseidon archetype is driven to be somebody important, but he doesn’t have what it takes to create a kingdom as Zeus does
    • Eye for an eye
    • He also has a capacity for deep loyalty and emotional depth
    • Deepest levels of human emotion
    • Hollywood has a high number of men who depict this archetype – actors, writers, directors
    • Zeus archetype will be more likely in banking and big business
    • Bolen may be a bit harsh to Poseidon
    • In a context where emotion is approved, there is no reason why a Poseidon shouldn’t be emotionally stable
    • Poseidon’s gift is that he can be in touch with his emotions without attaching it to the approval of others.
    • Authentic emotional expression
    • Men can be masculine and emotional at the same time
    • Steve Jobs could have been a Poseidon – intense emotion channeled toward his visions
    • Bolen paints Poseidon as perpetually insecure because he played second fiddle to Zeus but that isn’t always the case
    • These leadership qualities as represented in these God archetypes are incredibly important
    • There is some hostility toward father god energy right now
    • These archetypes keep coming up over and over again. We can’t wash them out of society
    • We can express greater kindness through these father god energies
  • Hades
    • Brother of Zeus and Poseidon
    • Eaten by father and vomited back up to overthrow his father with his brothers
    • Given the underworld
    • He was feared as sky god energy began to dominate
    • The underworld wasn’t initially a dark, dangerous place, but it became so as the sky god became more prominent
    • Hades had no children
    • The biggest mythological story of Hades is the abduction and rape of Persephone
    • Hades is reclusive. He doesn’t have a persona. He feels invisible, unseen, depressed
    • A man who embodies Hades can be very recluse with men and women
    • Not a lot of friends but can be deeply connected to somebody if he finds a soulmate
    • Rich fantasy life
    • Struggle with being a loner
    • Distorts reality based upon his inner world
    • Hades is that introverted quality inside of us that understands significance and death
    • Ask significant questions about themselves and go deep into the shadow of the self
    • Poseidon would be more like a Feeler whereas Hades would be more IJ, or using Introverted Intuition.
    • A rich inner world doesn’t have to be voyeuristic.
    • Tolkien created an incredible world based on his inner vision
    • Such a rich world inside that the outside world starts looking colorless
    • A Poseidon might gain more territory in art and expression, whereas Hades territory is the inner world
    • Lots to explore inside the human psyche
    • Hades archetypes are usually into writing, history, psychiatry, etc.
    • They are willing to touch on things that others consider macabre
    • Edgar Allen Poe
    • Willingness to go to the places others are spooked by
    • Bolen’s growth strategies for Hades are creating an interface with the world to be more acceptable.
    • Partner up with a Persephone that can help Hades interface with the world
  • All of these Father God aspects are complementary to one another
  • If one of these fathers gods seem predominant than balance it out with some of the other two
  • One way a Zeus can grow is by getting more in touch with the emotional aspects of their personality
  • Or grow some awareness about the deep unconscious as in Hades
  • Trinity of 3 different energies in one. Trident
  • These archetypal energies are a bit under attack
  • When they are expressed aggressively, it is hard to remember that there are good aspects of these energies
  • Leadership is important
  • The greatest gift this energy can give us is the positive leadership qualities that are attached to good character
  • Men or women can manifest these energies
  • This father god energy represents the encouragement to self-approve
  • Remember to honor this energy. Control it. Don’t let it overpower you. Do it for good. Be accountable
  • If we take, we also have to give
  • The best way to create territory is by having people want to follow you.
  • Being a good leader will get you the domain you desire.
  • Sky, ocean, underworld – not much on the earth
  • If you identify with one of these, remember you need to come up from the depths of the world or the ocean and get real
  • Or you may need to come down from Mt. Olympus and be more pragmatic
  • What can bring you up from the surface or down from the mountain to be the leader we need?

In this episode, Joel and Antonia continue a short series talking about the god archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the father gods in everyman. #podcast #Greekgods #archetypes

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  • K
    • K
    • August 9, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    Wow. I’m an INTP as well and know EXACTLY what you’re talking about. Sometimes it actually seems like my voice is literally muffled, because no one hears me when I speak, and I’m not soft-spoken. In the past I often found myself believing that for some reason I was not worthy enough in other peoples’ eyes to be heard (or comparably, in Poseidon’s case, inexplicably ‘cast out’), and they therefore unconsciously ignored me. My friends have many times called me the ‘Contrarian’ of the group. It’s always such a pleasant surprise to hear my thoughts spoken by another person! Thanks for sharing.

  • Jonathan
    • Jonathan
    • August 9, 2018 at 3:36 am

    In reference to trying to find real-life Poseidons, I am one, though not necessarily like the two men you described in the podcast.

    I am an INTP, and I studied English, and I’ve always wanted a megaphone to make my voice heard. I’m frequently frustrated by the irrationality I see in the world (very INTP), yet don’t have access to the proper channels. I’ve always wanted to be a journalist or writer so I could shake the earth with my incisive ideas (Homer did call Poseidon the “earth-shaker,” after all).

    However, I have difficulty expressing myself with out anger, and this occasionally undermines what I am trying to get across. I have that sort of no-one’s-going-to-listen-to-me type of insecurity, which makes me come across as contrarian, grumpy, and volatile.

    Essentially, I feel like a sky god who was cast into the waters, which both drown my voice and overwhelm me with furious emotion. And I believe Poseidon would feel the same way: “I could’ve been a Zeus, but instead I got demoted to the oceans.”

  • Ben P
    • Ben P
    • August 7, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    What my Creative Writing professor used to say: All happy families are the same. Write about the unhappy ones!

  • Ben P
    • Ben P
    • August 7, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    A couple thoughts from another Hades:
    1. Maybe Hades himself is only socialized to be a masculine archetype at all, and is actually gender-neutral
    2. Maybe your animus, Hades, is being encouraged much more in today’s culture than whatever your feminine archetype is.

  • Ben P
    • Ben P
    • August 7, 2018 at 3:47 pm

    I find that story of the androgynous original being to be really interesting. Can you say more about it? I think your post ended too soon! :)

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