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In this episode, Joel and Antonia go on a journey of discovery where they showcase the need for positively expressed Introverted Feeling in today’s world.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • The Wire (HBO)
  • Introverted Intuition (Ni) “Perspectives”
  • Ni is a perceiving process
  • Dominant function for INTJs & INFJs
  • Copilot function for ENTJs & ENFJs
  • Real understanding without the depth of intimacy that Fi feels.
  • Ni feels objective. Understanding for understanding sake without empathy.
  • Being able to understand someone is different from validating their feelings.
  • Compassion can be the result, but it’s not the mechanism Ni uses when understanding another person’s perspective.
  • Ni gives us the ability to study things dispassionately
  • NTJs are more likely to look at everything in concepts of systems.
  • NFJs are more likely to look at people as systems.
  • But both can play both sides.
  • It’s about removing the individual’s personal feelings, so those feelings don’t create bias.
  • To get underneath what is happening
  • Fully clocked Ni is a simulation of Se which observes reality as it comes.
  • Instead of outside world sensory info (Se), Ni simulates that process internally.
  • Entire realities created within itself.
  • If some of our language around Ni sounds like Ti and Fi, remember that T/F are judging functions. N/S are learning functions.
  • Ti is looking for truth
  • Fi is looking for intent/desire
  • Ni doesn’t want anything. It follows its internal bliss and allows things to surface as it will.
  • It has the intent of insight, but it doesn’t want anything. It’s just observing.
  • Ni is captured by simulated reality.
  • Si has a past orientation. Impressions built over time. Experiential.
  • Ni doesn’t have to experience something. It takes what it understands about sensory stimuli and creates simulations of reality.
  • Why does the world need Ni?
  • Black Mirror (Netflix) looks at how technology advances to dystopian futures.
  • Ni developed to assist survival situations.
  • What does it look like if this happens?
  • Ni gives us the importance of consequences.
  • Ni can run the simulation and share it in a way that others can understand.
  • What will happen down the line if I knock this domino over here?
  • Ni taps into the depth of imagination.
  • Ni looks at the fundamental principles of the human mind.
  • How do minds operate? What are the patterns that the human mind tends to attach?
  • Fi: “Whatever is most personal is most universal.”
  • Ni: “The macro reflects the micro, and the micro reflects the macro.”
  • We have a lot of disagreements right now; Ni can help bridge the gap to create a simulated shared reality.
  • For Fi, it understands the power of narrative, and if it doesn’t dive deep into its intent and motivation, it can start to manipulate the power of narrative to get what it wants.
  • Getting to that dispassionate place is hard for NJs (especially NFJs).
  • NJs mind has given them a place to go to create psychological distance from people.
  • Ni can keep shifting perspectives until it finds one it likes.
  • “I’ll just find a perspective where I’m happy.”
  • What crosses supports you.
  • All of our strengths can be turned against ourselves.
  • Ni can get so lost in its simulations that it doesn’t bring its gifts to the world. It just stays in a place that isn’t good because it can make peace with it… for a time.
  • The world needs sophisticated Ni to keep the gift of being able to see multiple perspectives and run simulations of worlds that haven’t been created.
  • The world needs Ni.
  • We are entering a more complex world. We cannot know what is going to happen.
  • We aren’t going to make it as the human race unless we have a future perspective showing us where we are heading.
  • Ni in the backseat can still give you a future paced viewpoint.
  • ESTP: “Some people don’t know they’re alive unless they’re in pain.”
  • They understand that people come with certain mindsets.
  • Fi can hold space for the darkness of the heart.
  • Ti can hold space for people’s darker thoughts.
  • Ni can hold space for people’s mindsets that aren’t serving them.
  • Si can hold space for people with dark pasts.
  • Ni taps into how we talk to ourselves.
  • Ni users love NLP: How our minds construct reality.
  • ePrime
  • Inner dialogue is not the same as inner narrative.
  • Tap into the inner dialogue and the way you use words to describe your reality.

In this episode Joel and Antonia become advocates for the cognitive function of Introverted Intuition and talk about why we need it in our world. #INFJ #INTJ #ENFJ #ENTJ #MBTI

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  • SU
    • SU
    • September 26, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    You say Camero that “Ni does build internal pictures of how the world works”. Not sure I agree with that. As INTJ I am not interested in how the outer world works. Iam interested in how the fictional worlds I create in my head work or play out. Which are the simulations. Ni playground is inner world not outer world focus. I do agree with “The kind of playing with external real world patterns is more Ne” though.
    I also disagree with your belief that easy perspective shifting is more an Ne thing.
    I think you are mixing perspective shifting with the singular focus ability of INTJ. Those are kind of separate features of Ni. I can have a singular vision while using multiple perspectives to help me get to that vision. In fact its a requirement. A singular vision does not equal a singular perspective if that makes sense.

  • Jo
    • Jo
    • April 27, 2023 at 3:46 am


    I really liked this podcast, because I found it to be very nuanced, detailed and deep diving. I recognized mi NI in it and felt very seen. I went on to read the comments to see, if other NI dominants had a similar response and what their additional thoughts were on how the function shows up for them. I was really surprised to find so much misunderstanding.
    As a perceiving function NI does by definition not judge. And I have never had the impression that it does. The feeling of other people´s emotions that I do as an INFJ and the being affected by it has always shown up when shifting my attention to the outside. So I had no problems whatsoever with your description of that. In fact, I found it very precise.
    Personally I have come to the conclusion over the years that linguistic precision is the main leverage point for probably anyone and that it actually is one of the main strengths of NIs with their penchant for perspectives and subsequently nuances. They usually use it passively be reading between the lines and actively by searching for the right (most precise) word to describe something.
    And empathy according to its definition does require understanding. Hence the great capacity of FI users for empathy. They understand and mirror feelings whereas INFJs feel them without necessarily having to understand them. To give an example, passing by a tense person usually makes INFJs instantly respond with some tension in their own bodies without knowing or understanding why the other person is tense, but it would not instantly cause an empathetic response in a FI user, because tension is not an expressed feeling. It is a sensation that got into the INFJ via Extraverted Sensing, was then transformed into knowledge with Introverted Intuition and judged with Extraverted Feeling creating the spontaneous response.
    In fact, I can imagine that if we try to find additional descriptive synonyms for Perspectives and Sensation, it might be helpful to perceive them better. I can think of the following NI – knowledge vs ES – information, NI – visualizing something vs ES – measuring something, NI – the finished puzzle vs ES – random puzzle pieces, NI – impression vs ES – data points. Those pairs all work together, you do not get one without the other.
    I believe that it is our task as NI users to make our knowledge more accessible to everyone else to have the impact and find the purpose we are actually all looking for. And I have the strong impression that using language in a very deliberate and precise manner we can achieve that.
    These are my two cents anyway.
    I would like to wish everyone coming upon this a gratifying journey through the depths and widths of their personal development. Take care, first of yourselves and then of the rest of the world. I can see you.

  • Emily Rosequist
    • Emily Rosequist
    • March 4, 2022 at 8:52 am

    INFJ here, also 5W4. First off, thank you for the work you do. I deeply appreciate who you two are as a couple and individuals ❤️❤️. Thank you.
    Personally I’ve always had a hard time reconciling the two parts of me, one is empathetic to the point of physically feeling other peoples feelings just by being in their proximity. And the other part of me, is objective, cold, and without an agenda—just sitting there like a judge taking it all in and processing all the implications.
    I feel like my copilot has been over developed compared to my driver. Fe is socially acceptable as a woman who grew up religiously. But Ni? And being a 5 on the Enneagram as well… Definitely still learning how to accept/appreciate and make use of my driver. *big sigh
    Episodes like this one helps!!

  • Kaden
    • Kaden
    • September 22, 2021 at 2:36 pm

    I would like to say how interesting I think it is that a lot of the comments are triggered INFJ’s. And all this being due to the fact that they took this whole empathy thing personally. It’s just a podcast meant to dive into a cognitive function… And they even said that they don’t use this function but they will try their best…

  • Kaden
    • Kaden
    • September 21, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    wow. Intj’s seem to blow up the comments the most huh?! Well, ummm here’s another INTJ. Me.
    I just thought I’d let y’all know that you did a great job diving deep into the introverted intuition. I have just recently started learning about the Myers Briggs and the cognitive functions, and your podcast has helped a lot…

    Id like to share on some of my perspectives but I feel that’s useless after reading the comments…
    But I will anyways.

    The fact that you emphasized that it is a perceiving function is great. I have always been extremely psychoanalytic. And I thought everyone was until I learned about the cognitive functions. Enough comments have been made already on the stress this brings due to knowing what’s coming before it comes… This becomes a huge issue when you care too much about someone. But I’ve been a lot more careful lately to just enjoy the time I spend with the people I care about rather than worry about the future (my simulated future that could quite possibly be wrong but usually isn’t unless I purposefully make it so.) This has really helped.

    Another thing I’d like to share is that I’ve been able to implicate the intuition and pattern recognition into beneficial ways to work around issues in the work place. Ex. (I will wait till lunch, and then run up to a coworker with half eaten food in my hand to illude a sense of emergency so that they are more likely to do the task that they may have not wanted to do in the first place and would have put off for too long.) Small things like this have made a huge difference in productivity.

    It’s cool to see that I’m not alone in this world of all the other types.

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