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In this episode, Joel and Antonia go on a journey of discovery where they showcase the need for positively expressed Introverted Feeling in today’s world.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- The Wire (HBO)
- Introverted Intuition (Ni) “Perspectives”
- Ni is a perceiving process
- Dominant function for INTJs & INFJs
- Copilot function for ENTJs & ENFJs
- Real understanding without the depth of intimacy that Fi feels.
- Ni feels objective. Understanding for understanding sake without empathy.
- Being able to understand someone is different from validating their feelings.
- Compassion can be the result, but it’s not the mechanism Ni uses when understanding another person’s perspective.
- Ni gives us the ability to study things dispassionately
- NTJs are more likely to look at everything in concepts of systems.
- NFJs are more likely to look at people as systems.
- But both can play both sides.
- It’s about removing the individual’s personal feelings, so those feelings don’t create bias.
- To get underneath what is happening
- Fully clocked Ni is a simulation of Se which observes reality as it comes.
- Instead of outside world sensory info (Se), Ni simulates that process internally.
- Entire realities created within itself.
- If some of our language around Ni sounds like Ti and Fi, remember that T/F are judging functions. N/S are learning functions.
- Ti is looking for truth
- Fi is looking for intent/desire
- Ni doesn’t want anything. It follows its internal bliss and allows things to surface as it will.
- It has the intent of insight, but it doesn’t want anything. It’s just observing.
- Ni is captured by simulated reality.
- Si has a past orientation. Impressions built over time. Experiential.
- Ni doesn’t have to experience something. It takes what it understands about sensory stimuli and creates simulations of reality.
- Why does the world need Ni?
- Black Mirror (Netflix) looks at how technology advances to dystopian futures.
- Ni developed to assist survival situations.
- What does it look like if this happens?
- Ni gives us the importance of consequences.
- Ni can run the simulation and share it in a way that others can understand.
- What will happen down the line if I knock this domino over here?
- Ni taps into the depth of imagination.
- Ni looks at the fundamental principles of the human mind.
- How do minds operate? What are the patterns that the human mind tends to attach?
- Fi: “Whatever is most personal is most universal.”
- Ni: “The macro reflects the micro, and the micro reflects the macro.”
- We have a lot of disagreements right now; Ni can help bridge the gap to create a simulated shared reality.
- For Fi, it understands the power of narrative, and if it doesn’t dive deep into its intent and motivation, it can start to manipulate the power of narrative to get what it wants.
- Getting to that dispassionate place is hard for NJs (especially NFJs).
- NJs mind has given them a place to go to create psychological distance from people.
- Ni can keep shifting perspectives until it finds one it likes.
- “I’ll just find a perspective where I’m happy.”
- What crosses supports you.
- All of our strengths can be turned against ourselves.
- Ni can get so lost in its simulations that it doesn’t bring its gifts to the world. It just stays in a place that isn’t good because it can make peace with it… for a time.
- The world needs sophisticated Ni to keep the gift of being able to see multiple perspectives and run simulations of worlds that haven’t been created.
- The world needs Ni.
- We are entering a more complex world. We cannot know what is going to happen.
- We aren’t going to make it as the human race unless we have a future perspective showing us where we are heading.
- Ni in the backseat can still give you a future paced viewpoint.
- ESTP: “Some people don’t know they’re alive unless they’re in pain.”
- They understand that people come with certain mindsets.
- Fi can hold space for the darkness of the heart.
- Ti can hold space for people’s darker thoughts.
- Ni can hold space for people’s mindsets that aren’t serving them.
- Si can hold space for people with dark pasts.
- Ni taps into how we talk to ourselves.
- Ni users love NLP: How our minds construct reality.
- ePrime
- Inner dialogue is not the same as inner narrative.
- Tap into the inner dialogue and the way you use words to describe your reality.
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Several days after listening to this podcast I still find myself thinking about the comments on rhis podcast process about Ni and empathy.
Antonia and Joel did mention that Ni is a learning function so it’s doesn’t really attach value to things. But so are all the other perceiving functions, right?
So why is Ni being singled out when it comes to the lack of emotional resonance? Is it because unlike the other perceiving functions, it is more intrusive? And that when someone steps into another’s perspective there is the expectation that the action comes with empathy or some kind of action?
Is it correct to say that perspectives users don’t necessarily have to pair up with their copilot in order to appear like they really understand others? And is this a path of growth, to grow the copilot and with INTJs perhaps tap into the tertiary?
I really hope we can revisit this in the future. Not necessarily why the world needs introverted intuition but empathy and cognitive functions.
For anyone’s interest here is a reddit post in the MBTÌ subreddit. Read the comments. It’s spectacular how they show the different needs when it comes to Fi and Fe resonance. Interestingly one INTJs comments round similar to Joel’s in this podcast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/c1jwr0/infjs_how_do_you_get_people_to_open_up_to_you/
Reading through the comments on Ni and empathy, I have some further thoughts on it as an INTJ. Empathy, by definition, is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. I would argue that dominant Ni users are strong on the understanding end of empathy, but sometimes short on the sharing feelings end (depending upon the auxiliary function); while dominant feelers (especially Fi) are strong on the sharing feelings end but may be short on the understanding end. My personal experience with my ENFP husband and a close INFP friend is that I find it really easy to figure out where a feeling or thought came from for them. I can see how the environment and events interacted with their system to produce the thought or feeling (not always, but most of the time). However, sharing the feeling can be difficult, even if I feel badly for somebody. It is really easy for me to respond in a way that comes off as analytical. Conversely, I find that I get a lot of sympathy from Fi users and I can easily tell that they care; but sometimes they equate my system with their own and misidentify the thought or feeling or the motive behind an action because they are seeing it from their own view point.
On seeing another’s point of view: This has sometimes been literal for me. For example, when my son was small he had some educational testing. There were concerns because when he was asked to draw what he did at lunch; he drew something that looked like a horizontal ladder. I knew immediately that he had been hanging upside down from the monkey bars, looking up at them.
Also, do other Ni users find themselves looking at their own shifting historical perspective. As in, “How would my 10 year old self have looked at this information?”
I’ve been really enjoying this series! And this episode in particular brought up some questions in my mind regarding functions that are not in our stack and our abilities to relate to them. As someone who does not have Ni in my stack at all, is Ni mostly something to observe, support and appreciate in others who have it, but not necessarily strive to ‘work on’ in myself? (Same question can be asked for any of the four functions not in our stack or car). And along those same lines, I’ve been curious as to whether an intuitive in general has better access to both intuitive functions over a sensor (and vice versa with sensing). For instance does an ENTP have a closer tie and ability to access Ni over an ISFJ because they are an intuitive dominant, despite Ni being in neither stacks?
Hi Antonia,
Thank you for the reply! I do think it is something I take for granted, because after reflecting I realized that this is a pretty natural ability for me. Perhaps the wording of “running simulations” translated to my mind as “asking what if and generating possibilities quickly.” I have learned to code that quick possibilities style of intuiting as Ne, which is a lack of nuance on my end. The inside of my mind (what I presume to be Ni at play) sometimes feels like an ocean that I am watching to see whether or not the next wave brings an insight with it – it’s kind of slow and hard to control, and when an insight arrives, it’s tenuous and difficult to capture unless I articulate it instantly to someone or write it down. For what it’s worth, I was not personally offended by anything that was said in the podcast, specifically regarding empathy or the emotional distance/“objectivity” of Ni. From my own experience, that resonated and felt pretty spot on.
Anyway, sorry to have gotten caught up on the nitty gritty – I really appreciate the information you communicated and the respect with which you respond to those who comment. It is a large investment of your time but I am sure most of us appreciate the effort you put into making sure you have data rapport with your audience.
P.S. I did misspell my own name in the first comment – oops
Thanks for the reply Antonia! From this, I think I understand what you mean by perspective shifting now. However, I sort of have to redefine the terms to make sense of it all. Please correct me if I’m wrong or misunderstanding here:
- Ni has a very intricate and holistic vision of the world. It’s not a map per se (symbolic representation is more Si) but more like another ‘subjectively’ created view/perspective which shows what is really going on behind their glimpses of real world (Se). — I don’t think this is what you’re referring to when you say simulation.
- From this one vision of the world, it can play journalist traversing its landscape and viewing multiple perspectives of this subjective world. However this vision of the world they are exploring is still singular. They are not exploring multiple perspective of the real world, but of this Ni understanding of world, which is more or less singular. One grand view/map (need new terminonology).
- Even though this worldview is their subjective creation, it feels objective because their self as an agent was not relevant in creating/envisioning it. Ni is beneath subjectively experienced phenomenon (which is Si). Because it feels objective, they can take multiple perspectives within this map-of-world, understanding other’s perpectives with the help of this map.
- They can also simulate different scenarios and make uncannily accurate predictions.
- These predictions are accurate to the extent that the subjective vision-of-world (need new term for this) was constructed with integrity in the first place from their glimpses (Se) of the real world.
- So I’m differentiating between the Ni vision of the world (singular) and the simulations/predictions made using and from it. The base Ni vision/map is not a simulation because it feels objective true (like they are objectively seeing it) for them. You can say it’s not the real world (and this is why they can sometimes get into trouble), but simulation is the wrong word. More like a map they’ve pieced together over time.
Is this correct?
Also, what’s really interesting is why do you think Ni is detached perception? I believe it so, but what is the technical reason?
Thanks!