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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the stages of food in our lives as humans and how each stage is an opportunity for personal growth.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Joel explains how a recent encounter with a bag of Doritos sparked the conversation for this week’s episode.
  • Joel talks about his overall relationship with food and his thoughts on the importance of personal choice.
  • A brief overview of the history of food within the USA.
  • Joel and Antonia introduce their ideas about the 5 phases of our relationship with food throughout our lives.
  • Phase 1 – about the relationship children have with flavor intensity and sweetness.
    • Joel and Antonia share their childhood experiences.
    • How our relationship to food shapes our wiring from a young age.
  • Phase 2 – the relationship between fast food and the growing independence of teenagers and young adults.
    • What makes you compromise on flavor at this stage?
  • Phase 3 – developing more sophisticated taste and learning to cook at home.
    • The power of cultural thinking at this stage
    • How the need for efficiencies can make us compromise on nutrition during this phase.
  • Phase 4 – when the pendulum swings towards nutrition.
    • What happens during the previous phases to propel us into this phase?
    • How militant thinking and obsession over nutrition can develop.
  • Phase 5 – achieving satisfaction and balance.
    • The point when you realise perfection is unsustainable
    • The importance of pleasure
  • Linking the cost of food and medical bills.
  • Touching on the broader societal factors linked to food.
  • Why have Joel and Antonia chosen to record a podcast about food? Some final thoughts on the thinking behind this episode.

In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about the stages of food in our lives as humans and how each stage is an opportunity for personal growth. #food #personalgrowth

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  • Mary True
    • Mary True
    • October 21, 2019 at 11:19 pm

    Being 70 and an INTJ I find this subject fascinating. Thanks for your insightful sharing!

  • Fleur
    • Fleur
    • September 16, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    With you guys even food can be an insightful topic! I’m grateful you took the care to mention these are stages you encountered in your own life.
    Mine were a bit different because the country (France) and infrastructures are not the same: I didn’t go through the fast food phase because at the time the only choice was the school cafeteria.
    I also started having an obsession with food when I first started cooking and went vegan. That’s the stage when I got caught in diet culture and was so judgemental of food and exercise, it was constantly taking a great deal of mental energy and it derived in binge eating disorder. (By the way, the disorder involving obsession with food is called orthorexia).
    Now that I’ve recovered and I cook for my own, that’s when I’m interested in making large inexpensive meals.

    In any case, thank you guys for this podcast, I honestly had preconceived ideas about what I was going to hear (equating fat with unhealthiness, suggesting losing weight is the best we can do for our health -when in fact what’s important is not the body shape, but the sustainable habits we incorporate in our lives). I was really happy to see you explored deeper topics than just the poor food advice that’s everywhere.


  • Alex Soontiens-olsen
    • Alex Soontiens-olsen
    • September 14, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    This is such a cool topic! Thanks for starting it. It would be fun to speculate about how different types use food and how it interacts with these phases. Ie) those of us with inferior Se can often use over-indulgence of food as a way to cope/handle stress. It probably doesnt help that I’m in the earlier 20’s stage of also eating what is fast and cheap, and that as an INTJ, I absolutely hate how detail oriented cooking is and how much energy it wastes. I’d definitely listen to you guys give your general speculations of how types think about food! ?

  • Carol Scott
    • Carol Scott
    • September 13, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    So much food for thought!
    I think that Many of us go through your food stages a different times in our lives depending on our health, our finances, or the health of someone we love, or politicization. I’m In my 60s I’ve just lost 30 pounds—And now that my weight is where I want it to be I’ve just come out of my obsessive phase, probably the third or fourth one I’ve been through in my life. One could call it obsessive or just focused, but it enabled me to lose that extra weight. And I loved that you talked about fat shaming—of course it isn’t necessary, but let’s be honest, we all feel better the less weight we carry. Both on our bodies and our souls!
    I’ve also been politicized about food several times during my life as well, the most recent being working at the local food pantry, and seeing the crappy nutrition-less food that is given to the socioeconomically deprived. Such an interesting thought of that 70-30 ratio of food expenses-medical expenses.

  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • September 11, 2019 at 11:12 pm

    What a great evolution of your relationship to food, and very INFJ of you. Thank you for sharing!


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