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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about which Myers-Briggs cognitive function is more selfish “Harmony” (Extraverted Feeling) or “Authenticity” (Introverted Feeling).
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Joel defines selfishness as taking more than you should.
- Antonia defines selfishness as making sure you get yours first.
- Extraverted Feeling “Harmony” Fe – All FJs and TPs
- Introverted Feeling “Authenticity” Fi – All FPs and TJs
- Fi is selfish for the individual.
- Fe is selfish for the collective.
- Fe may define selfishness as individuating away from the collective.
- Fi thinks it’s selfish to make everyone assimilate.
- Fe finds it rewarding when someone gets their needs met.
- Fe also takes a hit if someone isn’t getting their needs met.
- Fe uses other people’s emotions to calibrate if everyone’s needs have been met sufficiently.
- To a Fe user, Fi does feel selfish because they are taking more energetic resource than they are allowed.
- Why is it okay to sacrifice inner turmoil over group turmoil?
- Fe allows everybody to have a bad day as long as everyone agrees that they take turns.
- Fi sometimes forgets that other people have struggles too and need a turn in the bitch fest.
- Fi sometimes wants everybody else to focus on their problems and solve them.
- Fe can be a sickly sweet commandant who condescends to others and forces them to do things their way.
- Fi can’t understand why anyone would suppress who they are for the group’s benefit.
- Fe sacrifices themselves every day for the group’s benefit.
- Fe creates a system where everybody gets their time/day to be special. And the rest of us acknowledge when it is our day and when it is not.
- Fi doesn’t understand why they need to assimilate for the benefit of everyone.
- We all have to take the hit on occasion.
- Fe does more emotional labor than the other types, so they notice when things are imbalanced.
- Sometimes we project selfishness on to people who have permitted themselves to do what we haven’t. So, it’s a sort of envy.
- Fe: “I wish I had permission to take for myself.”
- Fe can learn from Fi that they need to acknowledge their needs freely.
- Individuals matter, and they need to acknowledge their needs eventually.
- Fe users can become passive-aggressive, angry, and resentful against the people around them who seem to take, take, take.
- What Fe fails to realize is they are the ones who created the situation.
- It becomes a false virtue for Fe users to sacrifice to others while hiding feelings of anger and resentment.
- Resentment’s root is in envy.
- Fe hates feeling negative emotions about others, so instead of stacking resentment maybe they can learn from the actions of the Fi user.
- “They’re giving themselves permission to have those feelings and be disruptive, and I need to give myself the permission to do the same thing on occasion.”
- Less mature Fe wants us all to buy into the same reality.
- Fe teaches us that even if we can’t find compassion for ourselves, we can still be compassionate to others.
- Fi can feel emotionally cavalier to Fe because Fi assumes everybody can deal with their emotional experience.
- Fe is more gentle with people’s emotions, but they tend to overdo the nurturing and over-protecting.
- Over-protecting is selfish of Fe because they are protecting themselves from having to see someone else in pain.
- Our egos are the manifestation of selfishness.
- So, our way is always going to appear better to us than someone else’s way.
- Selfishness is not the product of a cognitive function.
- Selfishness is the product of the individual.
- All of us are selfish.
- We have thrived as a species because we are selfish and have a will to live and dominate.
- We accuse each other of selfishness but rarely admit it to ourselves.
- Fe has its finger on the pulse of how serving the group helps serve self.
- The more seasoned Fe gets, the more it will bring in Ti and need less input from others.
- It’s common for younger Fe users to conflate harmony with agreement.
- When Fe is caught up in something symbiotic, it wants to share it.
- Fi has to get good at knowing the sweet spot.
- “Most of me is on board, so it’s good.”
- Fe assumes everyone is going to be on board.
- Fe feels good when everybody is experiencing the same emotion.
- Fi wants to make sure it won’t regret doing something that runs contrary to its values.
- Project positive intent on others.
- Fi can learn from Fe and vice versa.
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Hey Kristi,
Just curious (as an INFP), how do the Fi users in your family try to use the group to deal with their unprocessed feelings? What do they do? Just looking for examples to see if maybe I do that too!!
…but then you listened to the podcast and realized that neither function is inherently more or less selfish, but rather it is more commonly a projection of how we believe a function should be used and those values coloring our experience of it, right? :P
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How about that one person that refuses to share during margaritas because they’re so busy listening to and being there for everyone else? You just know those connections are going to end in resentment, but you can’t force that person to talk if they don’t want to. Sigh
I don’t pay too much attention to what is said about men and women as MBTI is a great example of how people can be so different from the stereotypes that get bandied about, but I can see a similarity between what this podcast says about how the feeling types (judging functions) differ and John Gottman’s claim that men who don’t share decision making with their wives are more likely to get divorced. (Speaking from a premise that women are more often socialized to decide things jointly whereas men are socialized to be more independent— Like Fe versus Fi?) Not saying that either type would be more likely to get divorced! Please don’t misunderstand.
For me in my experience as an INTJ Fe is more selfish. Fe in my opinion is manipulative and doesn’t take into account autonomy and allow for each individual to have their own feelings and perspective.
I had listened, maybe selfish is the wrong word. I’m thinking in line with what Joel was saying about self absorption. What bothers me and yes I agree that I have a narrow view filtered through my values about how Fe is like, and when it doesn’t match my view point I get pain. For me Fe is more in line with altruism or giving, it’s inclusive in my mind.
However when it could be combined with Ni or Ti, then that’s where I’m getting confused because it comes off like horse trading or give to get. You mentioned in the summary that Fe comes off sickly sweet to try and get people to come around to do things their way and I find this to be manipulative.
I purchased the Enneagram Road map because I wanted to understand 2’s more. From what I understand is that seduction is at the core of their motivation to get their needs met.
I was going to call in to the new show with this information, but I had to work since I’m on travel on the West coast.
I do have a question but I’ll write in with it, to see if I can get it answered. It will be about Enneagram 2’s and their use of Fe and how they tend to use compulsive lying to get their needs met, versus telling the truth.
One of the common themes of being an INTJ is truth and honesty. I was very hard lined about things like that however I’ve made room for white lies since it seems to be more socially accepted. Even then though, I don’t tell somebody they look amazing in an outfit if I don’t think so I’ll tell them that’s not the right style for them and let’s look at something else, instead of saying they look horrible in those jeans, which isn’t necessarily a fact just an opinion anyway.
I did appreciate you being silly about my comment, the whole Fe thing does bother maybe due to values, or could be a loop issue, a grip issue or just an unhealthy use of it.