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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk with Enneagram experts Dr. Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Paes about the Head Center Of Intelligence in the Enneagram system. The Head Center contains Enneagram types 5 – 6 – and 7.


In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Guest hosts Dr. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes join.
  • What is the Enneagram and what are the three centers of intelligence within the system? Beatrice explains the Enneagram’s origins and how it works in a nutshell.
  • What does it mean to be a head type within the Enneagram system?
  • Check out our previous two episodes in this series on the body center and the heart center.
  • How do people in the head center operate – and what is their relationship to the core emotion of fear?
  • The unique relationships head types have with ‘disconnection’.
  • How the head types gain the feeling of control by thinking things through and problem-solving.
  • Understanding the tendency head types have towards intellectualizing their experiences with the other two centers.
  • How do the three head types respond to uncertainty?
  • An overview of types 5, 6, and 7 and the strategies they adopt in response to fear.
  • Why self-observation is both powerful and challenging work at the same time.
  • What are the main challenges and obstacles faced by the head types?
  • Why it’s important to incorporate the wisdom of the other two Enneagram centers on your growth path.
  • Learn more about Beatrice and Uranio’s work via their website, listen to their podcast, and check-out their book: The Enneagram Guide To Waking Up.

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  • Julie
    • Julie
    • October 6, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    Enneagram 5 is known for the avoidance of feeling their feelings, and feeling empty is the result of that avoidance. In order to locate and hear your feelings, you must directly invite the feeling up and approach it and welcome it and talk to it, otherwise your avoidance will keep you detached from being able to feel it.

  • Julie
    • Julie
    • October 6, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    To Steve U: you can have thoughts about a feeling without actually feeling it in your body at the time that you are thinking about it. So you can think about sadness, have thoughts about sadness, without actually feeling sad at that time. I generally find that feelings need to be ‘invited to show up’ before they will appear and say something or before they will communicate to me by creating a feeling in my body. Physical expression of a feeling is an emotion= “e-motion”= a feeling in motion. Feelings have thoughts, images, and emotions, and an actual feeling in the body. So, anger has the thoughts of ___, the images of ____ , and the emotions (desire to act) of _____, and the feeling in the body of ____. You can have angry thoughts without the bodily feeling.

  • Justine G
    • Justine G
    • October 5, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    Thanks everyone,

    So I’m a self-typed E6 but have trouble properly landing on any of the Myers Briggs types, but INFP is within ‘shouting’ distance. One of my problems with this typing is my sense that I am often emotionally disassociated from sadness, which I could only put down to ‘trauma’. While I know there is an element of truth in this, this podcast presents another reason why I might find it hard to identify with a feeling-dominant type.

    Sometimes the emotional-disassociation is a source of deep disappointment and emptiness, and I will try to re-connect through fantasy, painting and music, though often have to settle for a ‘once-removed’ experience.

    I think why some people might have a Myers Briggs type that doesn’t really match their Enneagram type is a really interesting topic.

  • Steve U
    • Steve U
    • October 5, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    How does a 5 know they are actually feeling and not just thinking about a feeling if they have no evidence of it through their tears or through a physical expression like hitting a wall or something like that when they are angry?

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