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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk with Profiler Training alumni, Wendy Kauffman about her lived experience during this ESTJ personality type interview.


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In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Guest host Wendy Kauffman joins.
  • Download our ESTJ Personality Type Handy Guide to learn the ESTJ functions.
  • Wendy shares a bit about herself and her life.
  • What was Wendy’s childhood like?
  • Wendy shares about her experience of being married, and separating.
  • How does Wendy experience emotion as an ESTJ?
  • Wendy talks about her Memory (Si) Copilot and her relationship with her past.
  • How Wendy and her INFP ex husband made decisions together.
  • Does Wendy ever experience the Effectiveness (Te) – Exploration (Ne) loop?
  • How does Wendy feel rewarded for using her Effectiveness (Te)?
  • What are Wendy’s thoughts on some ESTJ stereotypes?
  • Wendy shares her feelings towards change.
  • How does Wendy use her Memory (Si) process when things get tough?
  • Wendy shares a recent experience where she used her Exploration (Ne) to take on a new challenge.
  • Antonia shares some final thoughts, and how she finds Wendy inspiring.

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  • Julia
    • Julia
    • March 20, 2022 at 1:46 am

    Awesome interview Wendy! It took me until almost the end of the podcast to realize that ESTJs are the ISTPs shadow (that the ESTJs first 4 cognitive functions are the 5-8 functions for ISTPs in the same order). As an ISTP trying to figure out how to understand and use my shadow functions better having such a kick-ass great example of what that combination can do is very inspiring. I really appreciated hearing your story and all your great insights. It is a podcast I know I have a lot more to learn from as I try to integrate the rest of my functions. Many thanks!

  • Trevor (INTJ)
    • Trevor (INTJ)
    • January 26, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    I found this interview very interesting. It helps me to understand and appreciate ESTJs more. And I find this series helps me understand all the types more, and get past the stereotypes. I relate to some of the Te – Fi balance. And I appreciate this interview in understanding how to develop my copilot more. The pacing thing I find interesting. I only pace when I’m really stressed and trying to work something out. I wonder if other INTJs do that. Maybe it’s a little bit of a TJ thing. I find exercise and running help me get out of my head and more into action. A common struggle with INTJs. That’s why seeing what ETJs do with their Te function helps. Thank you Wendy for sharing your life’s journey struggles and all.

  • Wendy Edwards
    • Wendy Edwards
    • January 25, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    The ESTJs I know all have that need for pacing and movement to function. Both are female and work in engineering. Both have good boundary skills as well. This podcast has given me more insight into both women and how they function. Wendy’s interview allowed me to see an ESTJ from the inside rather than from a stereotype.

  • William (INTP)
    • William (INTP)
    • January 25, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a bit of a tendency there, but any person of all walks of life and of any personality type will perform all sorts of different, even opposite behaviors. The question is less so what they do than it is why they do it. If an ESTJ is very intentional about their Te in their daily life, I can see getting up early as a good strategy. Sounds like your dad fits somewhere along that line, but it’s equally viable for there to be a perfectly healthy ESTJ who’s decided that getting up early in the morning doesn’t need to be a priority for them because of other strategies. Humans are way too complex to be able to determine little patterns of behavior from patterns of cognitive functions.

  • SU
    • SU
    • January 25, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    She makes me wonder now if ESTJs are early morning risers as a general rule. My Dad is ESTJ and is ALWAYS getting up early.4am

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