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In this podcast Joel and Antonia look back over the past 16 podcast episodes to talk about a few lessons learned from interviewing each personality type.


In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Antonia shares one her favorite parts from doing the personality type interviews.
  • What is a common path people take when learning about personality types?
  • Why is it so difficult to really grasp the depth of personality types?
  • Who qualified to be part of the interviews and why were they so carefully selected?
  • Why typology doesn’t put people into boxes.
  • Joel shares how different medium can change the way someone presents themselves.
  • Can one single personality type show up as any array of personality traits?
  • What is the one thing about every cognitive function that doesn’t change when it’s in the front seat of the Car Model?
    • What metaphorical connection does Joel make between the 8 cognitive functions and radio signals?
  • Is there a stewardship attached to our personality type?
    • The role of the 10 Year Old and 3 Year Old cognitive functions.
    • How did type stewardship show up in the interviews?
  • What fun observations about type did Joel and Antonia make during the interviews?

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  • Rebecca Mielke
    • Rebecca Mielke
    • May 6, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    Thank you. When I get my situation sorted, I am really hoping to go through your profiler training and be able to meet you all in person!

  • Taylor
    • Taylor
    • May 6, 2022 at 3:48 am

    I’d argue all 16 types use Si to reflect on the past, even if the function is lower in one’s stack, it doesn’t mean you can never access it. It just means it is less prevalent/strong/clear/frequent/trusted.

    But in terms of Ni/Se time vs Ne/Si time—

    The metaphor I’d use to describe how Ni/Se views time as opposed to Ne/Si is: seasons vs calendar dates. Seasons are circular, calendar dates however, only happen once.

    Ni/Se looks at time as a whole and sees the moment now as the part of a cycle of ebb and flow, growth and decline, a passing of seasons. I view my past mistakes through that lens as well—I understand things I have done as being part of a grander scheme of growth (The Graves Model is a good example of how Ni/Se would view time).

    Ne/Si I think, looks at time more like calendar dates, that is, life is a collection of specific, temporal memories and details that in their summation, add up to your unique story.

  • Bridgette [ENFJ]
    • Bridgette [ENFJ]
    • May 3, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    Hello Rebecca, I wish with all my heart to say a great many things…but an understanding that nothing I say can make it better is seizing up my fingertips. I’ll just put this out there because it was a resource, a tiny instrument of light in a time otherwise shrouded in suffocating darkness… the audio book “It’s OK That You’re Not Ok” by Megan Devine. If the fact that I even mentioned a book title is irritating in any way, please feel free to ignore me. I hope our paths cross at a live event or something, somewhere in the future.

  • Carol
    • Carol
    • May 5, 2022 at 9:36 am

    Thanks a lot for the series (haven’t gone through all of them yet) and this episode. I really enjoy listening to you and being open and sometimes blunt about things. This is very refreshing and … healing in a way.

    Regarding your listing of the perceiving functions / polarities in relation to time, I was wondering where or how Ni-Se reflect on / learn from the past. Could you give me a pointer? Or have you addressed this earlier?

    Kind regards and best wishes,

  • Eric
    • Eric
    • May 3, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    Great ep & series! I wrote a lot (lol still reeling from the inferior-Fe grip “bragging” revelation, getting all self-conscious about it now but it’s all good)-

    7:23 – Stuart Kauffman’s idea of the “adjacent possible” rings in my head here.
    (great quick intro: )

    The problem with introducing vastly novel ideas is folks won’t really get it until it’s within the grasp of their “adjacent possible”, hence why we need to earn it. I think this is a good way to approach/understand the problem. It’s a journey for many folks, like seeing a small group of folks at the top of a mountain and acknowledging that…. we all have a lot of hiking ahead to get there. It’s good for the masses if those of you early-adopters, trailblazers are able to construct a bridge across the obnoxious ravine you had to rappel & rock-climb to pass, but that only addresses a piece of the journey. At some point, we have to hike the trails ourself.

    9:00 – Omg so much this, I started exploring type circa 2004, and it was through the online forums I really cut my “teeth” on the functions but it was still an infantile concept without the “nuance” I’ve seen in your Emotional Survival series for instance. Even Lenore Thomson’s book, it was so “structural” and theoretical to me, not as much “real talk” as I’m seeing with your material.

    As a followup to this, I suspect having similar real-talk around Beebe’s shadow archetypes – Opposite/Senex (Witch)/Trickster/Demon – will be a game-changer for many people, but that’s a murky & sensitive topic and I can only imagine the level of care required to approach it. Beebe’s book is awesome but there isn’t an exhaustive list of what types “look like” in these shadows, beyond the handful of examples he provides.

    28:00 – The radio signal tuning analogy is so close to the concept of “dog whistling,” which I think (despite the bad vibe from the term & historical use of it) is also a good analogy for how a lot of cultural communication works.

    31:00 – I have been holding an idea in my head that there might be an extra attribute for the 8 functions: Whether the function is being used “positively” or “hygienically” to further our lives, others and the evolution of the world in general, or whether it’s being used “negatively” or “dirty” to control, to take & defend oneself for selfish intention. I feel this “negative” use of the functions is a concept being danced around in the Emotional Survival series (and expressedly named in the self-care by the hygiene analogy). The tertiary loop & inferior grip showcases ways we use these functions “dirty” until we shine light on the fact they can be used in better ways.

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