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In this podcast Joel and Antonia talk about the difference between type and personality.


In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Is there a difference between personality and type – and why does this matter?
  • How to view typology systems vs the meaning of personality.
  • The achievement of personality – a quote from Carl Jung.
  • What are the dangers of conflating personality and type?
  • Joel shares a metaphor for understanding type-related growth.
    • What does it take to be able to use type for personal growth?
  • What we have to gain from using the eight-function model.
    • Check out this episode to learn all about the John Beebe Eight Function Model.
  • The variety of ways personality frameworks can be useful.
  • How personality type provides an explanation for “othering” behavior.
  • A note of caution on the limits of typology systems.

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  • Ralf
    • Ralf
    • September 24, 2022 at 5:25 pm

    Another great episode, thanks for that. And I do see the of all those models/maps are double-edged. They are pointers and barriers to wisdom. So the challenge is that you need to recommend them to half of your listeners. And at the same time warn the other half to.not overdo it… Tricky paradoxon. Just like life

  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • September 10, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    John’s model doesn’t actually indicate an IxFP can’t have good Ti – that’s what I originally took from the model, as well, but after talking to him extensively I now understand what he’s trying to say in his writings. But it’s a lot, which is why I think would make a good podcast topic. Don’t be surprised if we address it in a future episode.

    Thanks for sticking with us.


  • Justine G
    • Justine G
    • September 10, 2022 at 3:54 pm

    I’m really glad you’ve talked about ‘being boxed in by the typology system’ rather than ‘the system shows you what box you are in’, which I think makes arrogant claims about the capacity of any given theoretical-system to tell people what their psychological trappings are. A generalised system can only reveal part of the box, the rest is from other stuff.

    I’d just like to add that I find the ‘one-way’ teaching of this system hugely problematic to understanding it. At least at school or college you can ask the teacher why they are saying what they are saying. Being ‘told’ this is how it works when it is highly theoretical and partly a matter of subjective-framing compounds this problem.

    I can’t ask and get a fully-fleshed response, for example, on why the John Beebe model (an excessively rigid-looking model to my mind), says I must have ‘terrible’ Ti as it’s supposedly my 8th ‘demon’ function yet I’m often at least somewhat aware of cognitive-bias, including my own, and I find this to be often integral to being a fair-minded person. Being aware of cognitive-bias is actually facilitated by sussing out ‘motivation’, so I don’t see this automatic antagonism between Ti-Fi, though in other ways I can. Similarly, I don’t see ENxPs being the worst at Se, they often seem pretty adept in the physical universe.

    I think you are probably doing the best you can however given you are relying on an internet platform with potentially many listeners, so I don’t really know what the solution could be.

  • Eric
    • Eric
    • September 7, 2022 at 2:25 am

    Joel’s gym machine analogy was perfect. It’s very much like that, talking about individual cognitive functions; you can see how they bleed together at times and multiple functions get employed with their own perspective on situations, much as muscles have complex interrelated partial contributions to movements and the “fascia” helps to shape and bind them together on some level.

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