This is low level CBT, not what a higher organising model like spiral dynamics is actually representing…..which is often all that the followers of such models can muster. Changing the terminology makes no odds, you are describing the base level of thought recognition…..you are not your thoughts, learned or not. Higher organised meta thought transcends this and makes conscious multi layered ….inter psychic and intra psychic information, which reflects brain processing, not superficial child sourced self ideas garnered from parents, culture etc.
rc
October 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm
Hey Antonia,
Long time viewer, much appreciate your work.
About selectively choosing your belief systems – How does this sit with say Fi users? Could it be manipulative. Also research in positive psychology shows that positive thinking and images while immediately pleasurable are negatively associated with actual achievement-long term gains. So how does one avoid that pitfall?
Thanks
Joseph Huth
October 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm
Thank you for your video, Antonia. I believe our beliefs create our reality. Because many of our beliefs are false, for example, an anorexic who believes she is fat, these false beliefs create a false reality, a reality that does not serve us and keeps us unhappy and unfulfilled. When I realize I have a belief that is not serving me, I consciously try to remove that belief and replace it with another one. This is difficult to do, because the false belief is so entrenched. My method is to try to convince myself that the desired belief is indeed a true belief. I do this by repeating affirmations. For example, if I believe I am inadequate, I repeat to myself the statement “I am more than adequate.” Even if I don’t feel or think I am more than adequate while repeating the affirmation, it begins to convince my unconscious mind that the new belief is true. This deep inner shift in my belief system begins to create positive externalizations, and my reality changes for the better.
Victor
October 6, 2016 at 7:34 am
I use a different model to define my system of life.
In my early 20’s, via etymology, I discovered the differences between:
1. speculate – verb: to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence .
2. opinion – noun: view held as probable.
3. belief – noun: accept without evidence.
4. fact – noun: thing known to exist as true or reality.
As an INTP personality, this new data caused a huge internal CRISIS, it was the equivalent of the blowing the motor in a car. I had to completely re-model and re-categorize all the data in my head into the above general categories. After that, I upgraded my speech and writing style to reflect the differences so my communications would be more accurate.
It was a rather brutal exercise and I postulated that the probability of running into another such crisis was rather high – so I decided to build an internal system that could easily contend with a crisis level change without having to re-wire the entire system.
Fortunately, I’m an expert at building and maintaining complex computer systems that can store, process, transform massive amounts of data into useful information.
So I borrowed elements from a programming paradigm called Object Oriented Programming based on the concept of “objects” (e.g. a person), which may contain data, often known as attributes (e.g. personality, beliefs, fav color etc); and code, in the form of procedures (e.g. how an INTJ interacts with an ENTP), often known as methods.
It’s a highly flexible model that is very adaptable to change and I haven’t hand to rebuilt it since – remarkably, it functions rather similar to what you described when you talked about adopting a particular growth mindset at a specific moment as needed, rather than having one mindset fixed in hardened concrete.
To answer your question:
No, beliefs are NOT a part of my intrinsic identity because beliefs have the dubious honor of being RIGHT and/or WRONG depending on the individual perspective.
Consciously or unconsciously – People with strong beliefs almost always have a powerful emotional payload attached to them.
This makes for an emotionally charged identity, this also adds bias. I typically want nothing to do with that sort of thing, to me, it’s like adding termites to a wood house. The whole thing eventually collapses on itself.
Beliefs for me are a holding area for stuff that is not yet proven right or wrong.
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This is low level CBT, not what a higher organising model like spiral dynamics is actually representing…..which is often all that the followers of such models can muster. Changing the terminology makes no odds, you are describing the base level of thought recognition…..you are not your thoughts, learned or not. Higher organised meta thought transcends this and makes conscious multi layered ….inter psychic and intra psychic information, which reflects brain processing, not superficial child sourced self ideas garnered from parents, culture etc.
Hey Antonia,
Long time viewer, much appreciate your work.
About selectively choosing your belief systems – How does this sit with say Fi users? Could it be manipulative. Also research in positive psychology shows that positive thinking and images while immediately pleasurable are negatively associated with actual achievement-long term gains. So how does one avoid that pitfall?
Thanks
Thank you for your video, Antonia. I believe our beliefs create our reality. Because many of our beliefs are false, for example, an anorexic who believes she is fat, these false beliefs create a false reality, a reality that does not serve us and keeps us unhappy and unfulfilled. When I realize I have a belief that is not serving me, I consciously try to remove that belief and replace it with another one. This is difficult to do, because the false belief is so entrenched. My method is to try to convince myself that the desired belief is indeed a true belief. I do this by repeating affirmations. For example, if I believe I am inadequate, I repeat to myself the statement “I am more than adequate.” Even if I don’t feel or think I am more than adequate while repeating the affirmation, it begins to convince my unconscious mind that the new belief is true. This deep inner shift in my belief system begins to create positive externalizations, and my reality changes for the better.
I use a different model to define my system of life.
In my early 20’s, via etymology, I discovered the differences between:
1. speculate – verb: to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence .
2. opinion – noun: view held as probable.
3. belief – noun: accept without evidence.
4. fact – noun: thing known to exist as true or reality.
As an INTP personality, this new data caused a huge internal CRISIS, it was the equivalent of the blowing the motor in a car. I had to completely re-model and re-categorize all the data in my head into the above general categories. After that, I upgraded my speech and writing style to reflect the differences so my communications would be more accurate.
It was a rather brutal exercise and I postulated that the probability of running into another such crisis was rather high – so I decided to build an internal system that could easily contend with a crisis level change without having to re-wire the entire system.
Fortunately, I’m an expert at building and maintaining complex computer systems that can store, process, transform massive amounts of data into useful information.
So I borrowed elements from a programming paradigm called Object Oriented Programming based on the concept of “objects” (e.g. a person), which may contain data, often known as attributes (e.g. personality, beliefs, fav color etc); and code, in the form of procedures (e.g. how an INTJ interacts with an ENTP), often known as methods.
It’s a highly flexible model that is very adaptable to change and I haven’t hand to rebuilt it since – remarkably, it functions rather similar to what you described when you talked about adopting a particular growth mindset at a specific moment as needed, rather than having one mindset fixed in hardened concrete.
To answer your question:
No, beliefs are NOT a part of my intrinsic identity because beliefs have the dubious honor of being RIGHT and/or WRONG depending on the individual perspective.
Consciously or unconsciously – People with strong beliefs almost always have a powerful emotional payload attached to them.
This makes for an emotionally charged identity, this also adds bias. I typically want nothing to do with that sort of thing, to me, it’s like adding termites to a wood house. The whole thing eventually collapses on itself.
Beliefs for me are a holding area for stuff that is not yet proven right or wrong.