Podcast – Episode 0285 – Enneagram Myths Part 1 – The Body Center Types 8 – 9 – 1 (with Beatrice Chestnut)

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk with Enneagram expert and author Dr. Beatrice Chestnut about the Enneagram types of 8 – 9 – 1 and the common myths and misconceptions we have around them.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Enneagram Roadmap
  • Misconceptions people have about the enneagram
  • People recognize the types based upon their high-level traits/characteristics, and they forget to acknowledge that there is greater complexity to the types.
  • Enneagram maps the complexity of the human personality, and there is a learning curve
  • Instincts and subtypes are essential in understanding the enneagram more fully
  • The Complete Enneagram
  • Previous podcast with Beatrice
  • Enneagram is built on three centers of intelligence: Body, heart, head
  • Subtypes are another breakdown into 3: Social, Sexual/One-to-one, Self-preservation
  • There’s a self-preservation 4 that doesn’t look like a 4
  • And a social 7 that doesn’t look like the typical 7
  • Most descriptions of 3s are Social 3s.
  • Sexual and Self-pres 3s don’t look like most of the descriptions of 3s.
  • Body Types: 8-9-1
  • 8 is the boss/challenger
  • 9 is the mediator/peacemaker
  • 1 is the perfectionist/reformer
  • Types 8s are types that people see as always angry or aggressive.
  • The core emotion connected to Body types is anger.
  • In every triad, there is one type that overdoes the emotion, one type that underdoes the emotion, and one type that conflicts with the emotion.
  • 8s tend to overdo anger. They may describe it as passion or energy
  • It’s a myth that 8s are always on the verge of explosions. They don’t need to get angry.
  • There’s a particular strength 8s carry around with them, so they don’t need to express aggression.
  • 8s can be sensitive on the inside.
  • 8s tend to get bullied because other people see them as bullies.
  • 8s need the space to recognize that vulnerability can be an expression of strength.
  • All emotions are valid and useful.
  • We tend to think anger is wrong, but it can be used as a strength.
  • 9s vice is sloth/laziness
  • They can be out of touch with working on behalf of themselves.
  • People see them as overly passive or lazy, but not because they don’t do anything.
  • They go to sleep to their need to act for themselves.
  • They are taking all the possible actions but not the right reason, which is acting on behalf of themselves.
  • 9s have a lot of energy, but they diffuse that energy out over other people instead of targeting their self-interest.
  • Give 9s room to grow and don’t pigeon hole them as a certain way.
  • Social 9 is one of the biggest workaholics on the enneagram after type 3.
  • If 8s are anger overdone, then 9s are anger underdone.
  • 9s may be asleep to their anger.
  • Anger feels threatening to 9s because it disturbs the peace.
  • The growth path of 9 is to express the anger openly instead of as random explosions or passive-aggressiveness.
  • 9s tend not to be in touch with anger because they have the belief that anger causes separation, and they want to stay connected with people.
  • Anger brings people closer.
  • Once a 9 recognizes that they can create a deeper connection.
  • People can see 9s as perpetually passive and unaware of what they want.
  • 9s need to figure out what they want and stop worrying about what other people think.
  • 9s feel overlooked.
  • They need a little time to consider their opinion.
  • 8 – Anger overdone
  • 9 – Anger underdone
  • 1 – Anger repressed
  • 1s feel the anger and suppress it.
  • The anger leaks out as irritation, annoyance, resentment, self-righteousness, etc.
  • Sexual 1s give themselves more permission to express their anger.
  • 1s can be perfectionists in one or two areas.
  • Self-preservation 1s are the true perfectionists.
  • Social 1s are perfectionists in that they obsess about what is the right thing to do.
  • Sexual 1s want to perfect other people – reformers
  • Have compassion for 1s because they were usually overburdened with responsibility as a child.
  • The growth path for 1s is about getting worse.
  • 1s need to become imperfect and disorganized
  • Perfectionism can be a strength if controlled.
  • 1s can be very sensitive to criticism and will see criticism everywhere
  • Use our language in a way that gives people room to grow.
  • We are still decoding the Enneagram symbol.
  • Litmus test: What helps you grow?
  • We need a more expansive view of the Enneagram types to give people space to grow within that type.
  • The Complete Enneagram by Beatrice Chestnut
  • Enneagram Roadmap

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  • James
    Reply

    I’m an 8w9, 835 tritype, SP/SX, INTJ. If my growth path is to do the high side of 2, I find it hard to maintain that without seeing any results for the effort I put into it. It’s odd but if I use the healthy traits of a 2 with a 2, it’s like it’s not appreciated, granted they are usually the ones that do all the nurturing and what not, and they are not used to someone doing the same with them, however at some point wouldn’t it click with them that me doing those things fits in with what they ultimately want?

    I’m one for taking responsibility for my actions but I feel like the growth path is a fruitless one, because without results for my efforts, I want to go into my 5 energy because it’s stressful and I get withdrawn and tend to study, research, and investigate further into what I could be doing wrong. I have quite a few books on the enneagram, and although there are clues there isn’t anything conclusive as to what more I could be doing to resolve the issues I have with a 2. I wish there was a complete and total comprehensive guide to enneagram 2s, as there is literally not much information about them, and what I do find references mostly with SX 2s, not so much the SP 2s that I want to know inside and out. I think my biggest questions are why are they so bad at receiving? and How do I get them, to be better at it. I’m willing to invest in the enneagram roadmap if I thought it would help. I don’t know what to do and hate feeling helpless.

  • Dan McCaffrey
    Reply

    I am an INFP and a 9(w1) and totally resonated with some of the comments about not acting on behalf of yourself. I was introduced to the Enneagram through the book “The Road Back to You”, which was excellent, but it is true that it did not discuss subtypes. The idea of being lazy I reject, and get I upset if people call me lazy; but if you look at my life from the outside, I could see that perception in regards to the path of my life. At work and at home, I work my tail off and always feel busy with never enough time to do the things that I actually want to do…It’s also ridiculous at how lost I feel in turning my dreams and ideas into reality!
    I’m realizing that being a 9 (I think maybe sexual subtype), combined with my inferior Te, is what makes it a steep uphill battle to actually make changes for myself in my life. I love serving others and making sure they feel loved (it actually energizes me), but at the end of the day, I do still have a longing for some other things for myself.
    Thanks for this podcast, I’m continuing to learn more about myself and others. I look forward to listening to the next one (I’m a little behind), because my wife is a 2 wing 1.

  • Marsha Sakamaki
    Reply

    Are NINEs often INFPs? Just wondering since I am an INFP and also a NINE.

    I use my anger to motivate me to change. I guess it is true – anger = energy. I stopped smoking cold-turkey, after 35 years ending up at 4 packs a day. The reason I was able to quit easily, 23 years ago was that I got MAD listening to the tobacco executives lying before Congress. I just not want to fund any bit of their salaries.

    • Dan McCaffrey
      Reply

      I’m a 9 and INFP… it seems that there is a strong correlation between INFP’s and being either a 9 or a 4.

  • v
    Reply

    I’m a 9 and relate to ‘being busy but not doing what I need/want’.

    The growth path for 9s is to ‘get angry sometimes’, and the application to maintaining focus that I can think of is building and maintaining boundaries so that I can do the things I need to do. Are there any other paths 9s can/should take to focus?

    I’m not even sure the focus question is the best question to ask – I’m an INFP and I imagine my under-developed Te partly comes into play here. Perhaps focusing on growth in terms of boundaries (instead of the focus question 😅) will cause more spillover to other parts of my life than focus itself.

  • Nisha
    Reply

    I am a student of Bea and really subscribe to her Subtype approach to the Enneagram – she brings such depth to understanding human beings and human development. Loved this podcast’s angle of myths of the types – accessible for newer students and excellent reminders for people already on the journey. For me, clear repetition is key to deeper learning in this rich domain. TY Bea, Antonia and Joel

  • Nicole
    Reply

    Hey guys just letting you know that this one wasn’t uploaded to Google podcasts. I got really confused when your released the 234 enneagram podcast as a part 2 as there is no part 1. Don’t worry I’ve got even less Si than you guys, no judgement 😝

    • Antonia Dodge
      Reply

      It must be a delay, since we upload each podcast to libsyn and they disperse it to all the channels. Unsure why the first one isn’t there. :/

      -A-

      • Nicole Harrison
        Reply

        Ohh stupid “convenience” technology making life more inconvenient 😝

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