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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about Spiderman, Batman, and luck vs. hard work.

In this podcast on luck vs hard work you’ll find:

  • Who do you think deserves to get more credit as a superhero? Spiderman or Batman?
  • Spiderman – Got bitten by a radioactive spider and instantly had superpowers.
  • Batman – Although blessed with massive amounts of wealth, Batman was not a superhero in a traditional sense because he never had mystical powers. However, he had something to focus on (death of his parents) and over time, he was able to become almost herculean with his abilities.
  • Question: Which one are you more attracted to? Which one would you say more represents how you view people becoming larger than life?
  • Getting instant powers has a correlation with the concept that things are either bestowed upon you or not. You are either the lucky recipient of something great or not.
  • As a result, some people end up sitting down waiting for that “spider bite”.
  • “American Idol” and “YouTube” are good examples of the Spiderman concept.
  • Where can we find our personal success? How can we frame and rewire success in our minds to encourage us to go to the pathway to success?
  • Any project gets easier when you refine your skills and get better.
  • There are some skills you need to learn in order to become successful. Luck comes to those who are prepared.
  • Oftentimes, the lack of clarity of what you really want obstructs your work dynamics.
  • The Analysis Paralysis state may happen to all personality types when they want to know everything first before taking any action.
  • Get into action with what you love right now. What is beautiful to you just now and you want to pursue it? Figure it you and get into action.
  • When you do what you love, you’ll gain better clarity as you go and figure out what the programming is that’s causing you to not get what you want.
  • Figure out your limitations, whether you’re a doer or a planner and pursue the other side.
  • Overall, the likelihood of getting success is higher when you’re doing something rather than doing nothing.
  • Among the four decision-making processes, which one do you think has the Spiderman and the Batman style?

Luck vs. Hard Work #batman #spiderman #luck

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  • Charis Branson
    • Charis Branson
    • June 16, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Hey Anthony!

    Thanks for your feedback on this podcast! You have some interesting insights. A couple things came up for me as I was reading your comment.

    First, inner work is HUGE. Sometimes the results aren’t so visible on the outside, but when we look at what we have grown into, versus where we came from, we can usually track our amazing progress. So, kudos to you for working on yourself.

    Second, there is such a thing as too much inner work. I’m not sure if you have listened to the most recent podcast on the HAT model, but it has some great reminders on how we all need to eventually DO something. It’s okay to heal and transcend but we also need to achieve. Sometimes by focusing on achievement we can jump start our growth potential.

    Here is a link to that podcast in case you haven’t listened to it yet:


  • Anthony
    • Anthony
    • June 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    I’ve considered this topic before through the lens of “lottery mentality”, but having it framed this way was a bit more insightful. I recognize that I’ve definitely been the spider-bite type, but realized that I often felt that I was actually embodying the Batman-type through life and wondering why it wasn’t working! I haven’t explored the idea much yet, but I think it might be because, as an INFP, the endless introspection and inner sorting FEELS like work, and gives me the impression that I’m actually achieving something. Which I am, in a way, but I’ve rarely balanced it with action-taking, so to anyone else’s perspective it just looks like I’m just spinning my wheels.

  • Jian Wei Gan Lim
    • Jian Wei Gan Lim
    • May 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Hah, well, I’m certainly not going to make excuses for how pedantic us comic book geeks can get. Then again, insofar as things that set comic book geeks off, discussions about superheroes as metaphors don’t tend to rank very high on the list for most. If this had been a battle about who’d win in a fight, I’d urge you an Joel to get into some kind of protection program because that seems to set the majority of fans off like crazy.

    One major problem with discussing Eastern cultures as an entity is that they do not quite share a sense of identity in the same way that Western Europeans and Northern Americans do. There are very clear demarcations between various nations and while they nominally are all ‘Confucian cultures’, there is a very prominent narrative of ‘Us Vs Them’ that seems ubiquitous between all the major East Asian nations, including those which use identical languages. The bonds that tie the Western nations together are much more tightly woven, and while their idiosyncrasies are the source of the majority of their conflicts, the contemporary West seem more interested in uniting against those that are outside the Western sphere of influence.

    In a nutshell, for all their squabbles, the West is comfortable with the idea that in theory, all within their sphere can co-exist on account of their shared values. The East, on the other hand, is very sensitive to the major differences despite their shared values. It’s funny how the Western stereotype of Asians is that they’re all the same when to Asians, the dissimilarities could not be more pronounced. I’ve mistaken Frenchmen for Germans and vice versa before and despite their wartime history, they never seem particularly offended. Not so with Asians. Koreans despise being mistaken for Japanese, just as Hong Kongers are quick to remind the uninformed of the differences between themselves and their cousins from the PRC. The truth of the matter is is that there is no more considerable variation between neighboring nations in the East as there are between neighboring nations in the West. What matters is the perception within Asians that there is a significant difference, and consequently while the progress of the nations in the West have largely taken place in tandem with one another, the development of individual nations in the East have taken place independently from each other (although only within a certain sense as the ebbs and wanes of a nation’s neighbors inevitably effect the nation itself).

    In respect to the Graves Model, I only have some rudimentary familiarity with the Model so my assumptions may be a bit off although I do hope you will correct me if I my understanding of the theory is inaccurate. That said, I believe that the majority of the predominantly Chinese-speaking cultures are already well within Graves 5. PRC’s Deng Xiaoping’s rhetoric regarding how “To be rich is glorious” has certainly had an impact on Chinese society that has only become more dynamic over the years. Certainly, of all the East Asians, the Chinese are the biggest go-getters and from my experience, they seem the most comfortable with flaunting their wealth and material resources. Certainly, Asians of other nationalities do so as well, although interestingly enough, I’d say the second and third most likely nationalities to do so are the Hong Kongers and Taiwanese.

    On that note, I return to my original assertion that the predominantly Chinese-speaking nations are the ones that have already made the transition to fifth stage of the Graves Model and thereby refer to the concept of the Four Asian Tigers, the term used to describe the incredible economic breakthroughs experienced by Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan in between the 60s and the 90s. Notably, three of the four tigers are predominantly Chinese-speaking nations, and certainly the citizens of all three nations place an extreme emphasis on material success. Certainly, mainland China’s Deng Xiaoping looked to Singapore as a model when he introduced economic reforms to the PRC, and while China has taken to the new policies with an extreme vigor, it’s not difficult to notice the similarities between them.

    In contrast, while Japan was for much of post-War history, the most successful nation of the Asian cultural sphere, I’d argue it remains firmly in Graves 4. While the Japanese pursue wealth and success like any other nation, there is the underlying narrative that efforts towards that end are done for the betterment of the nation, not the individual. Indeed, collectivism is extremely pronounced in Japanese culture, and individuals who explicitly announce their desire to be ‘go-getters’ are frowned upon. In contrast, the Chinese-speaking cultures expect such an attitude. To fall back on a silly stereotype, the image of the ‘strict Asian parent’ demanding that their children should be doctors or lawyers is very much a Chinese phenomenon. The Japanese seem less concerned with the trappings of status and there almost seems to be a memetic belief in the Japanese mindset that the high-status positions always belong to ‘someone else’.

    I am not as familiar with Korea, although judging from its place within the Four Asian Tigers, I would not be surprised if they too were firmly in Graves 5 much like their Chinese counterparts. Ultimately, if anything the transition to Graves 5 is not an issue for the East. It is the transition to Graves 6 that is the major problem. I believe Singapore is already moving quite confidently in that direction, as is Hong Kong, but the rest of the Graves 5 nations seem resistant to the transition.

  • Tariq Khan
    • Tariq Khan
    • May 8, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    “Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.” – William Shakespeare. (As you like it? )

  • Lance
    • Lance
    • May 1, 2015 at 12:25 am

    I’m an INFP, Authenticity/Exploration, and I can say I’ve had the Spiderman mentality. I don’t know how much of that mentality came from how I was raised. I was basically taught that I didn’t have a choice and that doors will either open or they won’t, regardless of what you do. On top of that things came too easy for me. I never really had to work very hard to get by in school or sports. I had a few friends that fell into some great opportunities and became very successful in the music business. All which furthered my Spiderman thinking. Many years later I’ve realized how immature I’ve been and how much time I’ve wasted. I understand that hard work is required if you want something, but I often have such a hard time motivating myself. I also end up taking on too many projects for others and never get around to working on the things I need to for what I want to eventually do. I didn’t expect to get into whining in this comment. Sorry about that. I guess I’m interested in how to really switch from a Spiderman mentality to a Batman mentality.
    I know… I know… the paid content is gonna help. Once I get some extra cash I’m all about it. Thanks for the podcasts and the good stuff on your site. It’s a wealth of food for my brain.

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