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In this episode, Joel and Antonia walk through the tension between personal responsibility and external burden as it relates to our personality.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Why is the pandemic so anxiety producing?
  • How can we mitigate the effects of anxiety?
  • How this affects our perceiving function more than our decision making one.
  • Looking at the pandemic through a systems thinking lens.
  • Some perspectives from Joel and Antonia as Exploration (Ne) users.
  • How do maps and models provide a helpful lens?
  • The concept of “black-box thinking”
  • Looking at the pandemic and the world’s reaction through The Tribal Leadership Model – find out previous podcast on Dave Logan’s model
    • A view of tribal levels 3 and 4 – and how current events could move us up to level 4
  • Thoughts around sustainability, reliance and being community focused, combined with globalization as ways of working through the pandemic.
  • Why cord cutting from society’s collective anxiety might help highly sensitive people (HSPs)
  • How have we built our lives to be reliant on systems?
    • The effect this has on our self esteem
    • What is our level of dependency and how can we become more interdependent?
    • What skills and knowledge can we learn?
  • A look at our current cycle and timeline, according to the Generational Theory model presented in The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy – What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny by William Strauss
  • How can models help us organise the world and make good decisions?
  • The safety and security level of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs – and how this relates to the pandemic
  • The importance of healthy routines and taking care of yourself

In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about ways to keep calm in the midst of chaos. #coronavirus #covid19

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  • Erik Bland
    • Erik Bland
    • March 18, 2020 at 12:15 pm

    While I certainly agree with the support given here for self-sufficiency, I think caution should be taken in implementing strategies to ensure one’s own self-sufficiency. I say this as a self-preservation primary (Enneagram).

    The way our world works currently (atleast in industrialized regions), I don’t think complete independence is possible without a resorting to a very rudimentary lifestyle. Such a lifestyle might be necessary at times, and being capable of it would be awesome. But we’re not in those times yet, and it is extremely unlikely that we will be at any time during this crisis.

    I certainly agree with the value in learning survival skills. But I don’t want to encourage people to prematurely use them in ways that are selfish – e.g. hoarding materials, overhunting or overfishing in response to a panic. That said, I don’t think there’s a problem with keeping a garden or learning new skills, for example.

    I think it’s perhaps more useful to come to terms with our own fears regarding our dependence. Yes, we rely on our societies for foods, vaccines and antibiotics, phones, electricity, etc. No one person can provide all of these things for themselves. No amount of self-preservation skill development will provide us with all of these things. Instead, we need to realize that we are each a part of this system. It isn’t that we take from the community, but rather that we are a part of the community that supplies these things for everyone. We are each a contributor rather than a helpless beneficiary.

    TLDR – I agree: plan ahead, learn survival skills, and become accepting of a little bit of discomfort. But don’t do so out of fear, and try to avoid falling into a ‘me vs. everyone else’ mentality.

  • Martina
    • Martina
    • March 18, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Hi! Thank you for putting my thoughts of last days in words:) I am from Europe, in my country situation is for now rather ok, but it is interesting how people’s reactions are similar here and in USA, even jokes on toilet paper:) I don’t have 11 copies of your book, but after this podcast I will highly consider it.
    Btw. Antonia’s intro on why it is important to be cauotious was simply the best…I even heard Tina Turner’s song around me…If it is not beautiful example of Accuracy and Harmony going developed hand to developed hand (one bigger and one smaller hand:) in ENTP, I don’t know what else could be!

  • Danielle
    • Danielle
    • March 18, 2020 at 1:52 am

    “Doctors don’t give out Darwin awards,” should be on a t-shirt.

    I also laughed way too hard at the idea of using copies of the Personality Hacker book as toilet paper. I needed that!

    The ending also made me tear up, in a good way, if that makes sense.

    I was also thinking back to the concept of the fourth turning the other day and how we’re really in the thick of it right now. Then I was thinking about how this sort of era has really prepared me for this moment, especially the last four years of my life (I’ve been listening to your podcast for about 3 of those years). If we use the starting date of 2008 for winter, I was 10 years old during the Great Recession and I turn 22 next week. Those previous years were at times, absolutely miserable in my personal life and/or in the world around me.

    I have this weird appreciation for it all. I wouldn’t be the person I am today if it weren’t for all of the toxic messes and general world chaos I’ve encountered. I sort of had to pull myself together in order to make it out alive and whole. I was extremely fortunate to have a small group of people who believed in me for most of, if not all of, that span of time. The world around me forced me to grow and it sped up a process that might’ve taken a lot longer otherwise. For instance, I think I was going to inevitably end up leaving the political paradigm I was raised in (and deciding to discount political paradigms in general), but the last few years expedited the process to the extent that I had one foot out the door by the time I was about 19 years old, if not about a year earlier. As an ENFP, my Fi just couldn’t tolerate it.

    A former co-worker who is about 3 years older than I am shared a meme on Facebook that said something to the effect of “This is like the 10th apocalypse I’ve survived already.” That’s obviously a hyperbole and it’s meant to make fun of how the news overhypes everything. But I also share the sentiment in that, everything will be okay in the end. It all worked out the last few times—even if I had to cut toxic people out of my life or find a new worldview. No matter how much it hurts, we’ll make it through this too. And I expect to be standing there on the other side.

    One of the most powerful pieces of advice I’ve ever heard is something my Dad told me when I was a child, “You can’t let fear rule your life. Then the people who want you to be afraid win because you’ve thrown away your time.” This echoes in my head every time something like this happens, and I find myself imparting it onto others. And it’s still my dad’s perspective to this day.

    I’m concerned about others and their safety, but I’m not consumed by it. It’s a healthy concern built from compassion and a general distaste for pain and suffering (I’m almost entirely a pacifist at this point).

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