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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk Antonia’s dark night of the soul experience and how personality type is relevant.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Why is Antonia at a loss for words?
- Antonia’s Dark Night of the Soul.
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What happens when you can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel?
- What a Dark Night of the Soul means.
- Finding guidance when you can’t see for yourself.
- Having strength to share your Introverted Feeling (Authenticity) experience.
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Discovering what is impacting you.
- What it means to be sensitive to energy.
- How energetic self-care lets you thrive.
- The power and struggle of self-discipline.
- How your type affects your environment, and how your environment affects you.
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When depression can be a door to open spiritual awakening.
- TedX talk from Dr. Lisa Miller that helps us see the spiritual awakening available.
- When people show up to help you along the way.
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How the Enneagram and Dr. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes help Antonia.
- What the Enneagram symbol means outside of a personality lens.
- The Enneagram map.
- The different Enneagram phases of life.
- The unconsciousness of Enneagram phase 9 and being stuck.
- How experiences shock us into change.
- Why Enneagram phase 4 and 5 are associated with a Dark Night of the Soul.
- Ways you can recognize that you can truly grow.
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What is your true essence?
- Why your identity is not your thoughts.
- What happens when you let your thoughts go?
- Who are you without your emotions?
- Who are you at the core of your being?
- Ways to evaluate the value of going through a Dark Night of the Soul.
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Dr. Dario Nardi’s personality work on a deeper, spiritual level.
- Taking detours in life.
- Not relying on our more talented cognitive functions.
- What integration of our lower cognitive functions really means.
- The Magic Diamond book.
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Joel’s tips for navigating your energy and self-care:
- Why action is so vital.
- Where to find balance.
- How letting go helps.
- What is most important for you to know.
- What acceptance does for you when you’re struggling.
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Antonia, I think you are super interesting! More importantly, I’m so sorry you are going through this really tough time. Some time alone/away can be a tonic. Maybe being in nature can help?
As you said, acceptance of your situation is a major step. You’ve had a lot of trauma in your life and maybe accepting that some of your experiences are, in fact, traumatic will help, too? That doesn’t mean you’re being overly dramatic, it just means you’re being (using this word deliberately:) ACCURATE.
You mean a lot to many people you’ve never met! Be kind to yourself and do what you need to feel better. You will get through this.
One of your ESFP fans,
Karen
Hi Joel and Antonia – I appreciate you sharing this podcast. It takes a lot of strength to be so open about deeply personal topics to an audience of strangers (not to mention to be open to oneself). I’m also always impressed by the strength of your relationship with each other – I’m sure it’s not an accident, and it speaks to the amount work you’ve put into the relationship.
Even if you have to take breaks between podcasts from time to time to, I’ll keep listening and supporting your work, and I imagine this is true of many of your other listeners as well!
I have really missed listening to you guys every week, it brightens my Mondays. Ive been listening since 2017 and you’ve both helped me through a lot. However, I also want to express that I understand that life is rough and if you need to take a break, you need to.
Antonia, I really hope you reach a better place soon. You’re voice definitely got stronger throughout the episode, at least in my mind.
I think society as a whole is going through a dark night of the soul, so, understandably individuals will be too. I think I went through a definite critical, dark growth point very recently, so this year hasn’t impacted me as much as it might have. But for me, the rough patch was the late half of 2018 until about halfway through 2019. And I’m still not technically healed from everything that happened then and I’m simply not ready to forgive the actions of some people (I find I need a lot of time to forgive, it’s going to be at least a couple more years to get there).
I find myself being weirdly comforted by, of all things, my inferior Si. I’m not in the grip, I’ve been there before and know what it’s like. But Si whispers to Ne that things have always worked out before. So there’s away out of this, somehow. It can’t last forever. No matter how scary things get, there is a breaking point. So, for the first time in my life, I’m actually appreciating and honoring Si.
I also find myself returning to a mental image of myself, decades from now, sitting down to tell my experiences and observations of this time as part of a university or a museum’s oral history project. I want to get to that point where I’m an older woman recounting not only the story of myself, but those of the people I interacted with and whose energetic spaces I shared. That keeps me going.
I also am driven by a feeling that my purpose is at the end of this era. So, I’m drawn to whatever that end is. There has to be a breaking point.
There is a lot of pain, suffering, and pure existential dread permeating the energy. And I’ve had to work really hard not to let it suck me in. And during that, I’ve been able to confirm where my core values really are. I have known what they were for awhile, but I now have a sense of conviction that this is truly the code I want to live my life by.
I try to practice gratitude as well. That helps me keep my eye on the prize, so to speak. I don’t know what that prize is, but it’s a murky concept of that my mission in life is waiting for me and I just have to find it and grab ahold of it.
I’ve been super nostalgic lately, and I’ve found myself learning to appreciate a period I went through about a decade ago that was absolutely brutal. I’ve started to see the good in some of my darkest hours. I made some great friends I still have today during those times and the pain helped shape the person I am today. I owe a lot to those years, even if you couldn’t pay me any sum of money to go back.
I also remind myself that I have to keep moving forward. It is, after all, the only thing I know how to do.
The podcast has been missed. It’s meaningful to hear that the reasons for this larger break had to do with confronting a real challenge, and I liked hearing how Fi-developed Joel managed the schedule challenge. That seems like a lot of healthy Fi/Te stuff going on there with Joel, to me. Also, I would like to just note generally that I really appreciate the cadence Joel has helped cause over the years.
My ENTP aversion to Fi runs heavy, heavy like a neurosis. Some major fear there for me I think. If you ever ran a course on Ne dom surviving bad ISFP divorces with children that could probably help me but man, I just see Fi as living at the center of cruelty and narcissism. Of course, I’m intellectually suspicious this is just 7th function hatred. How convenient of me to see the evils in the things for which I have no talent. But still, I also know you guys understand the trauma that can be brought by an ISFP gone rogue (something that the rest of MBTI seems specifically not to understand).
I will tell you that this episode was very uncomfortable to me because I saw in Antonia a version of myself being laid low by a stroke. I have very much hoped that Fi is a dead thing in me that will never rise up. But I thought it was brave and meaningful, and I was very happy you made it.
And I DID learn things about Fi here that tempered my usual aversions. Interesting to note how ENFP can be tuned into energy in the world. Hmm. I always have this (ridiculous I know) conversation in my head about being unable to understand how ENFP aux development can be beneficial, which is not an empty concern because I have an ENFP son who I love very much. I saw in this episode some of the benefits of that in Joel. Can I just say, first of all being, letting Antonia talk a lot. Thanks Joel (:
As an aside, with Fi as my 8th function, the only way I have found to safely access it is through art, specifically music and poetry. I’m guessing it’s because it’s unidirectional, repeatable, and no one else gets hurt while I slowly chew through someone else’s expressed feelings and connect them to my own. (Although I have found some usefulness in carrying around an emotion identification wheel.) That said, here’s a song that’s affecting me right now along this topic of “who am I?” (on the off chance it would connect with someone else as well). https://youtu.be/USg_uz32aas