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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the value of deconstructing your narratives and replacing them with systems thinking.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • What happens when we use old narratives or scripts to explain new technology?
    • How do we understand what is happening technologically around us?
    • Why our minds’ scripts aren’t ready for these technologies.
    • Why the rise in cryptocurrency is making us scramble.
    • What is digital scarcity and why is it being created?
    • What rules have to do with technology.
  • How powerful our narratives really are.
    • What exactly are our narratives?
    • Why do humans like narratives so much?
    • Why understanding our stories is so crucial.
    • When new tools or technologies threaten our narratives.
  • Knowing the difference between tools and narratives.
    • When we seek narratives instead of understanding tools.
    • Why we often look for “shoulds” in our lives.
    • What narrative do Te (Effectiveness) types use that make them so good in business?
    • What other narratives are more abstract in our lives?
    • Understanding Myers-Briggs® as a tool.
  • Ways we choose our narratives.
    • The particular cognitive functions that deeply define everyone’s personal narratives.
  • When our narratives are too simple.
    • Why the first automobiles and cryptocurrency are so similar.
    • What is black box thinking?
    • Does black box thinking damage the human mind?
    • When people turn Myers-Briggs® into a narrative.
    • The very dangerous thing we each are doing.
  • What Myers-Briggs® and David Kiersey did with Jungian teachings.
    • What happens when concepts are packaged for accessibility?
    • The resistance Personality Hacker has with narratives.
  • How do we break from our attachment to our narratives?
    • Are we our stories?
    • The purposes in deconstructing our narratives.
    • What attachment, or lack thereof, means to us.
    • Ways our identity gets tangled with our narratives.
    • Why disagreement between narratives is so intense.
  • Comparing modern narratives to the past.
    • Is shallow thinking overrunning us today?
    • The modern challenge we face for our narratives.
    • Who are we letting influence us?
    • What modern academia got mixed up.
  • Do any of us really become ‘woke’?
    • When you gain a meta-perspective from your narratives.
    • What your assumptions have to do with all this.
  • When we experience a ‘narrative vacuum.’
    • Why technological disruption is getting so hard on us.
    • Is idiocracy around the corner?
  • Is there hope in all the complexity we face?
    • Seeking the antidotes to these narrative difficulties.
    • Why you can do these 3 things to make a significant change.
    • The crucial thing we each can do right now.

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  • Sarah Martinez
    • Sarah Martinez
    • May 1, 2021 at 11:21 pm

    I have a question for Joel. When you said after hiring lawyers to perform specific tasks for you that you would catch yourself asking alot what was the “right” way to do something. My question is do you think your religious upbringing had anything to do with that type of thinking? Due to most religions encouraging asking how the “right” thing should be done? Just thinking out loud here
    -sarah Martinez ESTP

  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • May 4, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    They are equally important, as they inform each other, so whichever one is more focused upon diagnoses the other as one’s blind spot.

  • Robert McCaskey
    • Robert McCaskey
    • May 1, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    This podcast on narratives really hits a lot of nails on the head! I’ve worked in the aerospace industry since 1970 and I’ve watched everything you talk about happen.

    In 1970 we had to understand how the overall systems worked, and we relied on slide rules to help do calculations – no one had a calculator or a computer on their desk. (With a slide rule you had to understand the scale of problem, because you had to know where to put the decimal point. With calculators, a number can appear ‘precise’ to dozens of decimals places, and people can’t recognize when the answer is absurd). As digital technologies began to be used in the work space, there emerged a new breed of people who made us write down how we had accomplished a project that was thought to be successful. These ‘new breeders’ didn’t understand either the systems or the engineering & science, but they were masters at writing down processes and checklists, and convinced the managers that all anyone needed to do was to follow all the processes and procedures that became increasingly easy to create (and endlessly expand) as personal computers became commonplace.

    I’m not against the idea of creating procedures & processes, and using technology – at least not until they become so entrenched that it becomes possible to create the appearance of an ‘integrated system’ without anyone understanding the underlying principles and engineering, and eventually not even understanding the purposes of the system in the first place.

    Read up on the Capability Maturity Model Integration (CMMI) if you want a good example of making everyone think the same, speak the same, do the same, etc, etc. CMMI certification has become a requirement to even being allowed to bid for work in lots of the aerospace industry.

    Your observation that we need to learn ‘how to think, not what to think’ especially hit home as I have said those same words countless times, in an attempt to push back against the overemphasis on following procedures without carefully thinking about how they are (or are not) appropriate for the task at hand.

    In the last 20 years or so – with the advent of the smart phones and ‘apps’ that this podcast describes – the emphasis on what-thought instead of how-thought jumped, like a virus, out of corporate cubicle bays into every aspect of our lives – all it takes now will be a power outage to illustrate how little we still know how to do.

    Great podcast!!!

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous
    • May 4, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    But which one is more important to question?

    If people were not the unconscious, stupid, dishonest, hypocritical, gullible, phony, narcississtic, hedonistic, empathy-lacking, money-worshipping, materialistic, truth-hating and truth-mocking, walking dead, this world would not be a dump.

    It is NOT more important to question personal narratives than societal ones. Most personal narratives (99 to 100 percent) are lies anyway because they are based on the false premise of a separate self that needs to be changed, fixed, or improved. Who you really are has nothing to do with humanity or this 3D illusion.

    Very few people question the dominant societal narratives, most of which were deliberately crafted by people incapable of empathy hungering to control humanity.

  • Leanne Hunt
    • Leanne Hunt
    • May 1, 2021 at 6:40 am

    Listening to this episode helped me formulate my own thoughts around conversation, sometimes considered a lost art. So much depends on the kind of knowledge we claim to have, whether it be fact/ideology-based, method-based, opinion-based or experience-based. The narratives we share in conversation can either open up discussion or shut it down, and we ourselves can feel either enriched or frustrated. I share my thoughts in more detail in a post on my blog,

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