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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk with Profiler Training alumni, Mike Holden about his lived experience as an INTJ personality type.


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In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Guest Host Mike Holden, INTJ, joins.
  • Download our INTJ Personality Type Handy Guide to learn about the INTJ functions.
  • How did Mike get into personality type?
  • Mike shares how intuitive blending has affected his life.
  • What is the relationship between Mike’s Sensation (Extraverted Sensing) 3 Year Old and how he used to show up in social settings?
  • How did discovering his type change Mike’s life?
  • How has Mike’s relationship to his Effectiveness (Extraverted Thinking) Copilot developed?
  • Why does Mike find emotional intelligence and his Authenticity (Introverted Feeling) 10 Year Old to be important?
  • Does living in Spain suit Mike’s lifestyle?
  • What connection does Mike see between easily awing people with his intelligence when he was young and his resilience later in life?
  • How has building habits and understanding compound effects been important for Mike in his life?
  • How does Mike use his wiring to reach what he wants to achieve in life?
  • Mike shares how Sensation (Extraverted Sensing) now shows up in his life.
  • What advice would Mike give to his younger self?

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  • Amy
    • Amy
    • April 9, 2023 at 4:02 pm

    I listened to this one before, but I put more together on this second listen. The feeling was, “Oh, I see how that works.” Thanks.

    Amy in PA, INTJ

  • Trevor (INTJ)
    • Trevor (INTJ)
    • May 3, 2022 at 2:44 pm

    Just a quick note, but I felt after school I was lost. I still do. And I feel alone a lot of the time. So I’m going to just say that you and your INFJ friend are not alone. Hang in there.

  • Kristi Kneedler
    • Kristi Kneedler
    • April 23, 2022 at 11:12 pm

    Wow I really needed that message about just showing up when work is a struggle and you’re not getting results. I’m an ESTP, but I love my friends who use TE so much because of awesome stuff like this. I just started a new attorney job that’s very different than what I did before. I feel totally incompetent and overwhelmed and really needed the motivation to keep going.

  • N
    • N
    • April 21, 2022 at 9:09 pm

    Hi, I am also an INTJ. SO many points in this interview hit home for me…especially the point about being told as a child that you’re intelligent, will go places, etc…I expected it all to be effortless. After graduating university, I fell into a deep depression as I watched everyone else around me seemingly ease into adulthood, graduate school, work, marriage, etc. My INFJ best friend also fell into a similar hole, where we were both lost, felt isolated & misunderstood, and were directionless. I’ve just recently picked myself up, and I’m working on going to nursing school (which I’m still indecisive about—I somehow want to do both everything and nothing!) I used to feel that I was a great implementer of Te (especially compared to my INFP boyfriend, ha!), but the piece about finances and putting in a little bit of something every day (showing up), hit home for me as well. The idea of “showing up” is still difficult for me to feel at peace with, but I’m realizing how important it is as an adult, because of that compound effect (which hit me hard as well). I love personality hacker and I look forward to everything you guys put out. This is my first comment by the way, and is probably all over the place. I have so much to say(!) but I’ll end it here. Thank you. This was a great interview.

  • Rachel
    • Rachel
    • April 14, 2022 at 6:02 am

    This is interesting for me as a INFJ with a INTJ Dad. We are certainly similar in many ways with the same driver and 3 year old. I was told I was smart at school but struggled to feel I fit in and know how to relate this “smart” to adult world. I also used alcohol to fit in socially and shut out the inner voice from an early age. I think the creating good habits and taking small steps towards a goal might be something that helps me too. Thank you. I have found some common ground and useful tips in many of these podcasts.

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