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In this podcast Joel and Antonia chat about the deeper differences between judging and perceiving.
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In this podcast you’ll find:
- What’ is a common misconception of what it means to be a Judger?
- Why can it be challenging to understand the distinction between Judgers and Perceivers?
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What does it mean to be a Judger or Perceiver?
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What are the two things that all humans desire simultaneously?
- How do these two desires show up differently for Judgers and Perceivers?
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What important factor, central to understanding the difference between Judgers and Perceivers, is often overlooked?
- How does the difference between Judgers and Perceivers look without this factor?
- Why can examining cognitive functions really help to grasp the differences between Judgers and Perceivers?
- Interested in learning more about the cognitive functions? Ccheck out our podcast The Car Model.
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What does inner world expression for Perceivers look like?
- What are the two Perceiver styles of inner world expression?
- How do Perceivers interact with the outer world?
- What is Perceivers’ relationship to tracking things and the organization of information?
- How can Perceivers feel like their best selves?
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What does inner world expression for Judgers look like?
- What are the two judger styles of inner world expression of Judgers?
- Why can interruptions be jarring for Judgers?
- What is a good trick for Judgers?
- How do Judgers interact with the outer world?
- Where do Judgers get their creativity from?
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What are the two things that all humans desire simultaneously?
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What can type actually tell us about Judgers and Perceivers?
- How can the complexity of life affect how Judgers and Perceivers show up?
- Why are Judgers and Perceivers sometimes envious of envious or frustrated by the opposite preference?
- What are some admirable traits of both Judgers and Perceivers?
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Thank you Antonia,
I’m not sure where I took a wrong turn there. After ignoring my own mess and re-asking myself where do all functions grave for freedom, the naming convention became more logical. It seems that the extraverted functions are easier to pinpoint in relation to freedom/order. According to this line of thought Si (Memory) would want inner freedom although one might think that memories require order for the ease of access. But here I’m probably mixing memory as function and as a repository.
For myself, it might be that the Ti-Ni loop and the overuse of Ni have emphasized the need for inner freedom. I can also imagine that in such situation the Se might be under-developed also in this sense. In other words, I’m not sure what inner order and structure look like for Ti. As you mentioned in the podcast, the idea of inner structure is hard to grasp.
Anyway, after these thoughts I do agree that the current naming convention is good while it contains this kind of deeper insight.
I think I saw somewhere a mention that the J/P -letter refers to the way how each type appears to the outside world. This is how it indeed seems to be as the letter always matches the kind of the first extraverted function: The driver of an extraverted type and the co-pilot of an introverted type. While I agree that as belonging to a social species, we humans are at least partially who we appear to be, but yet I think that we may have a different perception of ourselves internally. Since the dichotomy is about preference over inner order and external chaos or inner chaos and external order, it seems to emphasize the interconnectedness of the extraverted and intraverted sides of a personality.
I’m afraid I might be mixing things here but my goal is to understand why has it been decided that the strongest extraverted function should define the last letter of the type acronyms?
Even though functions weren’t discussed in this podcast, I’m going to because they raise some questions against this judger/perceiver -dichotomy. If one compares the functions of each type, one soon notices that the J/P letter of the type matches the kind of the strongest (driver) function for all the extraverted types but none of the introverted types. For the introverted types, the last letter (J/P) matches the kind of the second strongest (co-pilot) function. For example, the strongest function of an estP is Sensation (SE) which is a perceiving function but the strongest function of an istP is Accuracy (TI) which is a judging function and the perceiving Sensation-function comes only second.
This seems a bit illogical to me and makes me wonder. What am I not seeing in this picture? I can imagine two possibilities (and there are probably more)
1. There are deeper things in the system than the functions. One cannot only look at the functions or the function-polarities. The idea that the driver function has the most effect on all aspects of the personality is flawed.
2. There was a mistake in naming the introverted types but the system is so old that they cannot be corrected.