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In this podcast Joel and Antonia chat about the deeper differences between judging and perceiving.
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In this podcast you’ll find:
- What’ is a common misconception of what it means to be a Judger?
- Why can it be challenging to understand the distinction between Judgers and Perceivers?
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What does it mean to be a Judger or Perceiver?
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What are the two things that all humans desire simultaneously?
- How do these two desires show up differently for Judgers and Perceivers?
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What important factor, central to understanding the difference between Judgers and Perceivers, is often overlooked?
- How does the difference between Judgers and Perceivers look without this factor?
- Why can examining cognitive functions really help to grasp the differences between Judgers and Perceivers?
- Interested in learning more about the cognitive functions? Ccheck out our podcast The Car Model.
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What does inner world expression for Perceivers look like?
- What are the two Perceiver styles of inner world expression?
- How do Perceivers interact with the outer world?
- What is Perceivers’ relationship to tracking things and the organization of information?
- How can Perceivers feel like their best selves?
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What does inner world expression for Judgers look like?
- What are the two judger styles of inner world expression of Judgers?
- Why can interruptions be jarring for Judgers?
- What is a good trick for Judgers?
- How do Judgers interact with the outer world?
- Where do Judgers get their creativity from?
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What are the two things that all humans desire simultaneously?
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What can type actually tell us about Judgers and Perceivers?
- How can the complexity of life affect how Judgers and Perceivers show up?
- Why are Judgers and Perceivers sometimes envious of envious or frustrated by the opposite preference?
- What are some admirable traits of both Judgers and Perceivers?
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Thank you Joel and Antonia for your very helpful podcast teaching Jung’s theory about Dominant Perceiving Types and Dominant Judging Types. I have been using Type in my research method first presented in Brisbane in 1998. It took me several long years to understand the wonderful layers within the MBTI ‘s four letter code via many world experts I personally know. Also re-reading Jung more carefully many times. Jung’s major contribution is his theory that a directional attitude towards the subjective Inner or Objective Outer worlds exists and is embedded in the mental functions. In my experience it helps me to know that code P stands for Perceiving Extraverted, no matter if dominant Perceiving for (E – - P) or non dominant for (I — P). And code J means their Perceiving function is Introverted, no matter dominant for (I – -J) or non-dominant for (E – - J). Jung calls his theory the Directional Attitude of the mental functions. After 24 years, my HANDscapes research results indicate that the dominant Judging types have the most clarity or conscious meta knowledge of the directional attitude of their Judging preference. Eg. E – - J types recognize clear descriptions of Te and Fe Judging facets by Linda Berens, Hartzlers, etc. And I – - P types recognize clear descriptions of their introverted judging facets. My delight in using Jung’s theory used by Myers and Briggs and related questionnaires is that if a person has a clear preference for J at the end of the code this indicates the their judging function is Extraverted. Results for I – - J code indicates a Perceiving type with a Supporting extraverted Judging function. However, when a person like above has a confusion about preferring INFJ or INFP descriptions, their brain and/or life experience may indicate a genuine SLIGHT preference for J versus P when answering the questionnaires. Slight preferences exist and are more complicated. I think that clearly preferred code results help demonstrate Jung’s theories about 1. The directional attitude embedded in mental function preferences. 2. There are Dominant Perceiving and Judging types as per his theory. 3. Expert questionnaires including yours get results for discussion about the code’s meanings. Eg. P means a Perception Extraverted preference and J means a Perception Introverted preference. As your podcast explains, our needs use both worlds but where does our brain prefer to process each function. Thank you for all your fine teaching work around our world. Liz in Australia
Thanks for another stimulating discussion and your heads up about journaling. I have interesting break throughs sometimes but I don’t write them down and frequently lose them. I’m going to start taking notes on my internal processing on occasion because of you guys. It also helps explain why I get so frustrated with my boyfriend occasionally when he breaks my chain of thought. Not his fault; just the way I roll.
Thanks for responding.
Thank you so much for this.
So Ive always been back and forth between whether I’m an INFP and INFJ. I think because as my life has changed, so have I. As I was listening to this, I was still having a hard time figuring out what resonates with me more. Definitely as a younger person, I felt very: go with the flow. But as life got more complicated, I felt to just keep everything and everyone happy and together, I’ve needed more organization. I think my true preference is for a light plan that gives a direction, but that can easily be changed if the needs or wants arise.
It was kinda funny, just after I finished listening to this, my (ENTJ) husband asked me (as he often does), whats your plan for today? And i was like, (in my head) oh my gosh, whatever I need to do and whatever I usually do. If I have time ill look at my list and pick something that needs done. Outwardly, i think I just gave him a blank stare ?. Until I could verbalize something first thing in the morning…
So what do you think? P or J?
Yet another amazing clarification of the framework – I’ve never really thought of being a P-type as “preferring inner-order” but that describes me perfectly.
I can’t quite relate to the idea of maintaining external order while having “inner freedom,” this is something I really need to think about. Pretty sure my wife is a J type (can’t seem to get her interested in typology at all despite trying multiple times, but I have a strong guess of ISFJ right now working from my own observation of the inferior & tertiary dynamics) and there’s just something going on inside her I can’t relate with or simulate, that this probably shines some light on.
OTOH, I’m quite familiar with my 11yo daughter (educated guess ISFP) talking about, asking people about their preferences on things and conveying what appears to be an internal order of preferences for everything & a strict “seeking of sovereignty” as I see it.