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In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about having a healthy relationship with both marketing and money.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Marketing isn’t evil
  • Money isn’t evil
  • Some people think there are acceptable and unacceptable ways to make money.
  • Why do people have such a weird relationship to money?
  • Our aversion to marketing prevents us from gaining the info we need to make the best decisions.
  • Marketing is not just about money.
  • Marketing is used to get people to think like you.
  • Money isn’t going anywhere.
  • If you have an icky relationship with money, you have the same dynamic as someone who loves money. Two sides of the same coin.
  • Money is very complex, and it is fundamental to our survival.
  • We build resentment and anxiety around money because it is abstract, complex, and necessary for our survival
  • Bitcoin is transcending all the money structures we have relied upon for a long time.
  • Bitcoin is also adding to the complexity of money
  • We are talking about a technology we have invented, but we can’t understand the entire spectrum of it.
  • We won’t solve this anytime soon.
  • How can we utilize it for the best?
  • How can we escape the thinking that rich people are villains and those who don’t money are victims?
  • If you demonize money, you can’t use it for good.
  • Start seeing “money” in terms of “value.”
  • People have different reality tunnels they see money through.
  • Value is subjective and contextual.
  • Football players make a lot of money because people are willing to pay them a lot of money.
  • What is the ecosystem benefitting from the compensation structure?
  • Value exchange doesn’t have to be just about dollars.
  • We have collectively decided to pay teachers a salary that is below what it should be, yet there are still people who become teachers because of other rewards.
  • Empirical evaluation is only a reflection of our own personal bias.
  • Value is not static
  • Recognize value as a shifting, contextual thing
  • We need to improve our relationship with money
  • Money and ego go hand in hand.
  • The only way we can improve the world’s view of money is when we stop demonizing it and recognize that ego transcendence is the only way to gain the equality we seek.
  • People use Money for good all the time.
  • Whether you love or hate money is a projection of your ego and a sign you have shit you have not worked through.
  • Get a healthy relationship with your ego and use the tool of money to make a beneficial impact on others.

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  • Chelsea Welch
    • Chelsea Welch
    • August 10, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    A very interesting experience is to simultaneously feel shame over making money (i.e. having thoughts such as “I get paid way too much.”) and also have animosity toward people who make a lot of money (i.e. having thoughts such as “that person must be an arrogant, selfish jerk.”) So it’s a confusing internal dynamic that I’m wrestling with right now as I work to change my relationship with money, but I am certainly trying very hard to do so. I’m realizing that I can’t let go of shame over having money myself without discontinuing my hate of others who make money, and vice versa. Both changes in paradigm have to happen at the same time.

    We are constantly bombarded by messages of “you don’t need money to be happy.” I would like to call BS on that statement. I think there have been some recent studies that have shown that happiness does increase with an increase in income (up to a certain point, but of course that makes sense – by the time you get to the point where you have money you are not utilizing (after you have sufficient savings), additional money isn’t going to make you feel safer). But, like many people, I know what it’s like to live without enough income and it’s extremely unpleasant and stressful. Not only that, but having extra money for “spending” allows us to invest in what we think is valuable. For me, that’s personal growth, healing work, taking care of my body, etc – like many people in this community. Without those things, I would feel utterly lost.

    It’s such a strange push-pull dynamic. We want money and we don’t. Feel desire for it yet also shame over it. We admire people who are successful yet demonize them when they make “too much”. I’m glad you made this podcast as I think that we all struggle with it to varying degrees. Awareness is the first step, now we just have to work on changing our perspectives one step at a time ;)

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