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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the different cognitive functions and the benefits of seeing things as process-based instead of result based.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • “The ends do not justify the means.”
  • People are willing to sacrifice their core values to get the results they want.
  • The challenge is that anytime you choose an axiom that favors one side, you will find many examples of the opposite holding true.
  • Sometimes the ends do justify the means.
  • Introverted Feelers may see the sacrifice of one’s core values as the most heinous.
  • Are people sacrificing their core values? Or their intellectual honesty?
  • Certain cognitive functions have a preference for process over results.
  • Introverted Judging functions (Introverted Feeling and Thinking) are more process focused.
  • They are more interested in how something is done.
  • Car Model
  • To introverted judging functions, the result is less important than the process.
  • Extraverted decision-making functions have criteria in the external world so the result is extremely important.
  • Some people are so results focused they think if they do one thing the whole result is going to change.
  • Cause and Effect podcast
  • Systems thinking
  • Ken Burns Vietnam War
  • USA leadership kept thinking simple decisions would make a different result.
  • We are so quick to jump to sound bites when we may not have even asked the right questions.
  • See your life as a system that is running with processes that make that system work.
  • Start focusing on cleaning up the process.
  • Of the four judging processes, which we use to evaluate the world, which one has the best perspective?
  • All of them. We need them all.
  • The process is what negotiates how sustainable the result is going to be.
  • When the tension between the two disappears, and we start to overvalue one over the other we start having problems.
  • The pendulum swings from one extreme to the other because some people just want victory.
  • Drama Triangle – Victim, Villain, Hero
  • Not much thinking in the Drama Triangle. People just keep switching roles.
  • Empowerment dynamic – Creator, Challenger, Coach
  • Empowerment dynamic forces people to focus on both process and results.
  • If we just started grabbing models randomly, they would all focus on both process & result.
  • Result is a feedback for the process and process feeds into the result.
  • If we sacrifice one of them, we won’t get very far.
  • Synthetic emotional hits that don’t move the needle.
  • Sometimes we need to be results focused when the process feels like a burden.
  • We probably favor one over the other. Which one do you favor?
  • Somebody who leads with Extraverted Judging function (EJs) will be lead by results.
  • ETJ might be super results focused when it comes to resource mgmt, but when it comes to their emotions, they may favor the process.
  • IFPs that lead with Introverted Feeling will be process oriented when dealing with their emotions, but when it comes to doing things in the outside world, they may be more results focused because of their 3 yr old – Extraverted Thinking.
  • ITPs are going to be process oriented when it comes to their thoughts but results oriented with their feelings and relationships.
  • FJs are more focused on results with relationships, but process in thoughts.
  • Are you a process person or result person?
  • When you have a blind spot, do you demonize others who don’t have that blind spot?
  • If you don’t have Introverted Thinking in your car and other people want to create distinctions that don’t make sense to you, are you demonizing them for wanting that?
  • They see something that is a blind spot for you. They are a complement to you.
  • This entire conversation is a process convo.
  • Get more into the process of things if you are results focused, and vice versa.
  • When you have resistances coming up in your life, try shining a light on it and ask yourself what is going on.
  • The results you want can benefit from the process.
  • Most people in our world focus on results.
  • Instant gratification.
  • We have trained ourselves to not think about process anymore.
  • Some things happen in our lives that we don’t ever think about:
  • Sewage, plumbing, electricity, recycling, etc.
  • Younger generations aren’t very interested in history.
  • How we got to where we are includes timelines and history.
  • You get to benefit from the results of history.
  • Are we where we are at because we have chosen to disregard the processes that brought us here?
  • Why are we getting the results we’re getting?
  • If we are creating this world, are we creating it with good processes?
  • Some people mistake policy for process.
  • Policy = rules of law; legislation.
  • No law is going to change the hearts and minds of people.
  • Don’t mistake things that are seemingly process focused for the process itself.
  • People are part of the process.
  • If you’ve been waiting to start a project and you are waiting for a certain result to get you started, start the process.
  • Make small steps toward the results you want.
  • Err on the side of process vs. result.
  • How can I break down what I want out of life into smaller processes?
  • Little things we can do every day.

 In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about the different cognitive functions and the benefits of seeing things as process based instead of result based. #podcast #personalgrowth

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  • Erik Bland
    • Erik Bland
    • March 8, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Thank you for all of your work! I know my response to this podcast is late … I didn’t listen to this one until just recently.

    I agree with Joel and Antonia that both process and results are very important. I think this podcast, however, pushed process a little too much and didn’t focus enough on results. I want to make some comments about the importance of results here.

    First, I think that when we approach a problem, we first ask “what result do I want?” (results focus) and “how do I get it?” (process focus). This podcast brings up many examples of society focusing too heavily on results and using poor processes to achieve them. I argue that one could alternatively define these situations as needing more focus on the results – but specifically, better defining the question “what do I want?”.

    I think we often oversimplify the definition of the problem. In general, I the basic result we want is for us, and others around us, to be happy. Our difficulties arise when we stop our problem definition at that level. It is very hard for us to determine what will make us happy, let alone what will make others happy. If we can’t precisely define the problem, I argue that it will be nearly impossible for any process, no matter how perfect, to give us the result we want.

    All processes will give a result, and in general, I expect more refined processes will generally give “better” results than sloppy processes. However, there is an infinite pool of possible results, and we won’t be satisfied with just any one of them. If we want a specific result, we need to clearly define what that is before our process can have any hope of achieving it.

  • Sara
    • Sara
    • May 15, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    Love this work thank you so much, these might be two of my favorite podcasts. Is there a place where I can find them, marked as to where you start talking about the different groups. I would love to share these with people and point them to the right time to listen to them… Or if there is a “thinker/detail” type out there, that wouldn’t mind helping me out, that would be great! From a very thankful ENFJ <3

  • Lukas_with_a_k
    • Lukas_with_a_k
    • April 18, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    I believe I have a good example for me to start focusing on good process then results in my life. As an INFJ, I realize that I need to focus on the process of expressing accurate data (e.g., emotions, needs, viewpoints, etc.) in relationships. If intimacy is my ultimate end goal or result, then being as honest with myself and others will help me get there. If I ignore these chances for honest data piece, then I may ultimately miss the mark for deep, authentic connections with others. Or in the very least the connection will be lacking in some way which isn’t what I ultimately want. Thanks PH for the valuable insight!

  • Ben
    • Ben
    • April 9, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Sorry for the double-post, but I had some time to think about it, and I think I know what was tripping me up. I was having trouble distinguishing in my mind between a result vs a process focus.

    As an illustration: if you have a complex math problem with only one solution, the result is so tied up in the process that it is impossible to sacrifice one for the other. If you sacrifice the process, you lose the result and only by attending to the process will you achieve the result. Therefore, the goal is not to balance process vs result, but to create a synthesis.

    In my own experience, a Te would be more inclined to focus on achievable results, whereas the results that I desire may not be achievable even in my lifetime. That doesn’t make me any less results-focused. Framed this way, it makes more sense how the different types need each other. An INTP may provide a grand vision for an INTJ who provides the step-by-step plan to achieve it.

  • Ben
    • Ben
    • April 9, 2018 at 4:59 am

    This podcast made my Ti driver uncomfortable. Do Ti’s tend to be more process focused? I am an INTP, but my self-image (for lack of a better word) is that I am decidedly results oriented. Is a Te/Fe more likely to favor ends over means or is that a trap that a Ti/Fi can fall into as well? I feel like the distinctions are a bit off in this podcast, but I’m having trouble identifying the problem.

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