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In this episode, Joel and Antonia chat with enneagram expert Dr. Beatrice Chestnut about her experience with Myers-Briggs® at the Personality Hacker Profiler Training live event.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Guest host Dr. Beatrice Chestnut joins.
- Beatrice’s experiences as an Enneagram expert diving deeper into Myers-Briggs® at our Profiler Training live event.
- How does Beatrice initially think the two systems may correspond?
- The complexities of matching up the two systems – and why this isn’t simply a 1-1 correlation.
- What was it like for Beatrice to be profiled live on stage?
- The additional insight Beatrice gained through understanding her Myers-Briggs® type at a deeper level.
- What are some more challenges of merging the two systems?
- How do some of the enneagram types initially seem to match up with the cognitive function descriptions?
- The correspondences Joel and Antonia have found between their Myers-Briggs® and Enneagram types.
- Why is it possible that the two systems match up more closely in their “prescription” than in their “description”?
- How the instinctual variations of the Enneagram types bring additional nuance.
- Diving deeper into how the systems align – plus how the functions lower in our stack could align with our Enneagram type.
- A note on finding growth paths – the power of discovering your type in both systems.
- Find Dr. Beatrice Chestnut at https://cpenneagram.com
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Thinking about how I match the self-pres 6 description, I’m reminded of what a good friend told me when I asked her if she saw me as extroverted or introverted. She said, “Extroverted, definitely. You’re extremely warm and can talk to anyone.”
These could be traits of an introvert, albeit. I wasn’t looking for an expert opinion, just one of someone who knows me well. But her assessment definitely rings true to my own observations about myself and how I match the self-pres 6.
Looking at it from the core fears and motivations perspective, 7 is likely the best match with an 8 wing and a few 6 traits too. All the descriptions that presume 7s are extroverts and very social make that hard to see though. I think, though if someone did a ‘here is what a quieter introverted 7 would look like’ description it would fit me pretty well. I do find I spend a lot of time in a more 5 like space, especially since the pandemic turned my work life to all virtual and a move right before it means I don’t know anyone locally, so more situational than the option I would chose for operating all the time.
I loved listening in on this conversation. Thanks for the podcast! Personally I have found the Enneagram to be more of a prescriptive tool and Myers Briggs to be more descriptive. (Maybe because of my particular combination?) But I love the idea of how the cognitive functions can add nuance to the virtue of the Enneagram.
I think my best fit type in these systems is INFJ type 9 SX/SO subtype. If I’m in a funk, it usually comes down to my actions not reflecting my priorities.
I’m either taking action that feels productive but doesn’t create measurable results (in the form of preparation! And research!)
Or I’m taking actions that I think will please other people, but have nothing to do with my desires or goals. The quote: “I’m not who I think I am. Nor am I who you think I am. But I am who I think you think I am.” rings painfully true.
Is the first a Ni/Ti loop and the second a boundary issue with FE?
You have given me much to ponder. Thanks again. :)
Dr. Chestnut, that is! No disrespect intended. I am exploring her site, and appreciate the lead to another practitioner who is, as you said Joel, doing this as an approach to personal development.
Fascinating podcast! I loved hearing all of the ideas thrown around. I thought I’d add in some of my thoughts too, although I’m no expert.
As an ENFP self-preservation 6, I think the confluence between my MBTI and Enneagram might have made it harder to ultimately decide my type. ENFP was fairly easy for me to decide once I learned more about the system. I did mistype as an INFJ when I first learned the system from a friend when we were about 14/16. But I learned about cognitive functions, and I’m definitely not a type with strong Fe. Reading about Fe, I immediately thought of my mom. She’s an ESFJ and is highly influential in my life. Based on our dynamic, it’s pretty clear to me that I’m not wired for Fe.
Then I thought I was an INFP. But in college, I realized that I’m actually an extrovert with some self-admitted “hermit” tendencies. I’ve never had doubts about being an NF though.
Of course, 6s are said to be the type that experience the hardest time determining their Enneagram. But I’ve often felt like type descriptions for 6 are reminiscent of an SJ type instead of my flavor of 6. I had suspicions that I was a 6, but I also related to several other types to some degree. And the 6 descriptions just didn’t feel right.
When I read Dr. Chestnut’s description of the self-preservation 6, a lightbulb went off for me. That’s exactly how I am! Though these tendencies were unknown to me at the time, they just made sense. I generally present a warm, friendly side of my personality as a means of self-protection. I can get a lot of different people “on my side” with this, and it does create a sense of safety. I can confidently blend into a lot of different contexts and social groups. When I’m around those I’m close to, I am a lot more up front about what is going on in my mind because I already trust the relationship that’s there.
I suspect that other people may have trouble navigating their enneagram and/or MBTI if they have a more unusual combination. Enneagram 6 ENFPs aren’t even that unusual, I just feel like a lot of 6 material isn’t geared towards ENFPs.