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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the ways we over-identify with our personalities and strategies for the next phase of personal growth.
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In this podcast you’ll find:
- “Personality is who you are not” – Joel and Antonia unpack the meaning behind this statement, used by Dr. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes in their Enneagram work.
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How Joel and Antonia embodied this message during a recent enneagram retreat.
- Joel shares his experience with “personality is who you are not” through the lens of his Enneagram type (6).
- Antonia explains how this shows up differently for her as a type 3.
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Antonia explains the importance and role of the “identity” phase as an entry point to type – and the trap of staying in this place for too long.
- How staying in “identity” affects our long term relationship with typology systems.
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How Myers-Briggs® appears different from the Enneagram in relation to this topic.
- Viewing your Myers-Briggs® growth path through your cognitive functions as a way to avoid one-sidedness.
- Check out our article on The Car Model to understand your growth path through your type’s functions.
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What’s the role of personality if it isn’t who we truly are? Joel shares his experience as a type 6 and how this has served him throughout life.
- Joel’s excitement at discovering his true essence as a type 6.
- Antonia talks about her inner work as a type 3 – and why the world in general rewards type 3s when they don’t do this work.
- What awaits you on the other side of overidentification and doing the work? Joel talks about how your motivations can change when you get to this place.
- Joel and Antonia share more thoughts and experiences on undertaking personal growth work.
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Examining the layers of personal growth work through the HAT model.
- Check out this episode where we unpack the HAT model to learn more.
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Viewing personal growth as a timeline – and why it doesn’t matter if you’re in the identity phase right now.
- A message for content creators on this topic.
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Hey ?, what was surfacing for me here, ironically, was a sense of pride about how far along I think I am in my journey. What’s healthy pride look like in personal growth? It feels distinct from indifference… Thich Nhat Hanh (sp?) comes to mind here. Maybe pride in achievement turns into a more ambient sense of joy at being alive. Russ Hudson talks about point 7 as being about the joy of the spiral of growth and discover continuing upward. But it’s maybe more about peeling back layers to find new flavors and depths of yourself because “we are the way the universe experiences itself” (was that Alan Watts’ quote?). Admittedly I’m hoping someone thinks I’m impressive for writing this :) that’s my 6 moving to 3, perhaps. Thanks for all you do!
Hi,
I just wanted to mention, about the ‘timeline’ aspect of growth, sometimes I like to think of it more like a spiral. To use a metaphor, instead of a nail or a simple line, thinking in terms of screws can be useful to imagine growth. As if it was moving around a circle, but always at another level. Iterative movements, maybe?
I have been into Myers-Briggs’ functions for 1 year and I felt the progress was extremely rapid to get a hold of myself and a sense of identity. I feel like I am ready for deeper work such as shadow work, but I still will be going back to personality models with a new eye, because for one thing I cannot afford to break my personae totally once at a time (financially and socially) – and for another reason, as I will need to use personality and type to introduce others to my process and discuss about deeper stuff.
Finally, after having listened to this podcast, I will go check out info on the HAT Model + I will rely on Jung’s model of EGO/PERSONAE/SHADOW/SELF. I have a sense those will be good tools for me to do back-and-forth movements between personality work and true self work.
Thanks for the amazing work!
Personally I love the title of this podcast because it’s an idea I care about a lot and wish more people would realise, so as soon as I saw this title, I clicked on it.
You can get one of PH’s Enneagram starter kits with Beatrice Chestnut and they tell you how to actually use Enneagram for your E type. Being told the way you are by reading about Enneagram online is just step 0. The title isnt “shitty” once you know what that quote means and where it came from.
These deeper episodes about transcendence and shadow work are exactly what I have needed to hear recently, so thank you guys. Thank you for letting us in on your journeys and please keep episodes like this coming ❤️