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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • In the last podcast, we discussed idealism with the four judging functions
  • Car Model
  • ENTP/ENFP share the same dominant perceiving function – Extraverted Intuition ‘Exploration’ Ne
  • Exploration = endless freedom
  • Always chasing a new shiny object
  • Hard to commit to anything
  • EPs want to keep their options open at all times
  • Purity without having to do any work to gain true mastery
  • ENFPs are better at pretending they are following the rules
  • ENTPs struggle with this because of their Ti – Introverted Thinking
  • ENFPs are good at pretending intimacy with people
  • They don’t like saying yes to things they may feel trapped by later
  • Ne wants to create impact in the world.
  • It wants to see if there is a better way.
  • You can’t create a new norm unless you disrupt what is already there and establish something else.
  • The polar opposite of Extraverted Intuition is Introverted Sensing ‘Memory’ – Si
  • Memory = reviewing memories to get impressions
  • The Ideal for Si is purity for all memories.
  • Many ISJs spend massive amounts of time on detailed creative hobbies that allow them to shut out the world and its many disruptions.
  • ENPs with an inferior Si can choose not to think about the things they don’t want to deal with. Like past trauma.
  • When memories start to come up for SJs they don’t have the choice just to push it away as NPs do.
  • Reviewing sensory experiences is a compulsion for SJs. To not do so causes depression.
  • So they hide or stick to reliable routines.
  • Tried and True vs. Hiding from the world
  • Ne compulsion is perpetually bouncing from one thing to the other
  • Ne requires a foundation to build upon
  • Si requires surrender to change
  • SJs do pattern recognition work, but it is slow because they have to repattern a whole memory
  • Extraverted Sensing ‘Sensation’ Se
  • The idealism for Se is an oversimplified version of everything
  • “There’s an obvious and simple solution for everything; why aren’t we doing it?”
  • Sometimes the obvious solution is the right one. Sometimes it isn’t.
  • Se sees no need to study systems or think of complexities.
  • The world is full of immediate, actionable solutions that everyone else is too obtuse to see.
  • Purity without the work
  • Everybody else is the idiot
  • This is why they are so good at reacting in real time
  • Ne never has to commit
  • Si never has to do anything out of its comfort zone
  • Se never has to figure out the complexity of things behind the curtain
  • “When you have a hammer all the world is a nail.”
  • There is a percentage of problems that people do overcomplicate – but not all of them.
  • ESPs are always in trouble because they try to simplify problems that require more complex answers.
  • Se is the polar opposite of Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • Ni gets into other people’s perspectives
  • Se worries about what people think of them
  • As long as Se can get people on its side, it doesn’t have to think about managing their goodwill
  • Se needs to surrender to the idea that there is no such thing as a pure function.
  • They have to do the Work.
  • Se needs to remember that some problems are more complicated than they think.
  • As Se gets more seasoned and mature over time, it starts to recognize the law of diminishing returns on simple solutions.
  • Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • The ability to shift perspectives and get into other people’s headspace
  • They also watch their own mind form patterns
  • Ni gets gummed up by sustainability
  • Ni can go so long term that they prevent new experiences from happening if it doesn’t look sustainable
  • Ni fantasy is the idea that reality can be lived internally before it happens.
  • You can have all the answers just by running a simulation
  • That sounds like a lot of work to other people, but it is the native language of INJs.
  • The work is being present and implementing real time.
  • Sjs hide away. NJs conceptualize.
  • INTJ who couldn’t stop talking because he was externalizing his inner dialogue at all times – and none of it made sense to anyone but him.
  • Stream of consciousness talk
  • If he could figure it all out, he could accomplish his dream to be a contributor – showing up in life and engaging.
  • Balance it out and engage with the hear and now.
  • Get away from purist thought and get into the work.
  • Don’t just run a simulation but look for the evidence in front of you, not just the patterns in your mind.
  • What is the sensory evidence? How do people see you?
  • INJs are all steak and no sizzle, but nobody comes to them for the steak because there’s no sizzle.
  • There’s no ability to interface with the world to bring complex solution to complex problems.
  • There’s no bridge.
  • They are just chasing rabbit trails internally.
  • They think the rabbit trails will equate to impact.
  • All four perceiving functions have this desire for excellent ROI without having to put in the work.
  • Work you need to do:
  • Integrate the other side of the polarity and recognize its influence
  • Attach your perceiving function to the other functions in your stack – especially functions of the opposite attitude (E/I)
  • Recognize you have to do the work. You can’t just exist and be amazing.
  • The antidote is the integration of the other side of your polarity.
  • Integration = understanding the importance of something and not pushing it away anymore
  • If an introverted function has you by the balls, integrate an extraverted function – either the polar opposite or the copilot.

In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions. #MBTI #myersbriggs

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  • Julia
    • Julia
    • May 23, 2021 at 2:43 am

    I so identify with Joel’s comment at the end about being overwhelmed by the tyranny of the idealism of your inferior function. I suspect it would have taken a while longer to put together what was happening but that totally describes it perfectly. And yes I am also of a very similar age. Really sucks though that for me it extroverted harmony that started trying to exert its idealism in the middle of a pandemic.

  • S.U.
    • S.U.
    • October 14, 2019 at 5:06 am

    Could someone explain to me the analogy:
    “INJs are all steak and no sizzle, but nobody comes to them for the steak because there’s no sizzle.”
    I have listened to the podcast over and over but the steak-sizzle metaphor went over my head. For me sizzle is greesy hot bad stuff and I don’t eat steak much. Thanks

  • Joanna
    • Joanna
    • July 27, 2019 at 4:43 am

    From above:

    “INTJ who couldn’t stop talking because he was externalizing his inner dialogue at all times – and none of it made sense to anyone but him.
    Stream of consciousness talk
    If he could figure it all out, he could accomplish his dream to be a contributor – showing up in life and engaging.”

    Antonia, I cringed as I listened to you talk about this guy because this is exactly what I always imagine my friends are thinking about me. I am an INTP. Which means that we (he and I—not you and I, obviously) would share none of the same functions in our car model. But damn, the way you described this guy seemed eerily similar to myself.

    I guess I don’t really have a question. I’m just curious if there’s anything there—perhaps I’m mistyped (which I highly doubt), or he is mistyped (though I doubt that even more. I know it’s just this one little similarity, but I can’t help being curious. I’d investigate myself, but I know enough to know that if I want to finish this episode (and I do), I cannot allow myself anywhere near that rabbit hole right now!

  • Morten
    • Morten
    • April 23, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    I was thinking about the example of Se idealism gone wrong where the guy just does something without thinking of the consequences.

    First, it appears to me that when Se is immature or underdeveloped, is when you see the bad effects, like raving Se teenagers or people just doing something because it’s simple and actionable here and now. Immature Ni would equivalently be people who think about things but never get anything done (that actually sounds a lot like me as a teenager). Or another consequence could be to not get enough data in before analyzing the problem and finding solutions. I have a tendency to not wanting to spend enough time getting data, because I like so much better to think about possible ways of understanding the issue, different ways of solving the issue, and even understanding what the problem is. I’m very aware of the fact that I need to get more data, but it’s not very interesting.

    On the other hand I see people spending a lot of time getting and understanding the data, and then finding solutions that to me seem either overly simple or overly complicated because the method is too simple.

    Well, all this to just say that I appreciate that Ni and Se work together, and it’s more and more apparent to me that they work together. I really like working with data and fast gathering people, as long as I’m able to spend time on speculating. Some times it’s important to speculate before we can get facts and data.

  • Ammon
    • Ammon
    • April 8, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    I had a thought about introverted intuition. The way it appears to me is that The ideal is that I can control the future, I will see what is going to happen and I can act accordingly now. Does this seem correct?

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