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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • In the last podcast, we discussed idealism with the four judging functions
  • Car Model
  • ENTP/ENFP share the same dominant perceiving function – Extraverted Intuition ‘Exploration’ Ne
  • Exploration = endless freedom
  • Always chasing a new shiny object
  • Hard to commit to anything
  • EPs want to keep their options open at all times
  • Purity without having to do any work to gain true mastery
  • ENFPs are better at pretending they are following the rules
  • ENTPs struggle with this because of their Ti – Introverted Thinking
  • ENFPs are good at pretending intimacy with people
  • They don’t like saying yes to things they may feel trapped by later
  • Ne wants to create impact in the world.
  • It wants to see if there is a better way.
  • You can’t create a new norm unless you disrupt what is already there and establish something else.
  • The polar opposite of Extraverted Intuition is Introverted Sensing ‘Memory’ – Si
  • Memory = reviewing memories to get impressions
  • The Ideal for Si is purity for all memories.
  • Many ISJs spend massive amounts of time on detailed creative hobbies that allow them to shut out the world and its many disruptions.
  • ENPs with an inferior Si can choose not to think about the things they don’t want to deal with. Like past trauma.
  • When memories start to come up for SJs they don’t have the choice just to push it away as NPs do.
  • Reviewing sensory experiences is a compulsion for SJs. To not do so causes depression.
  • So they hide or stick to reliable routines.
  • Tried and True vs. Hiding from the world
  • Ne compulsion is perpetually bouncing from one thing to the other
  • Ne requires a foundation to build upon
  • Si requires surrender to change
  • SJs do pattern recognition work, but it is slow because they have to repattern a whole memory
  • Extraverted Sensing ‘Sensation’ Se
  • The idealism for Se is an oversimplified version of everything
  • “There’s an obvious and simple solution for everything; why aren’t we doing it?”
  • Sometimes the obvious solution is the right one. Sometimes it isn’t.
  • Se sees no need to study systems or think of complexities.
  • The world is full of immediate, actionable solutions that everyone else is too obtuse to see.
  • Purity without the work
  • Everybody else is the idiot
  • This is why they are so good at reacting in real time
  • Ne never has to commit
  • Si never has to do anything out of its comfort zone
  • Se never has to figure out the complexity of things behind the curtain
  • “When you have a hammer all the world is a nail.”
  • There is a percentage of problems that people do overcomplicate – but not all of them.
  • ESPs are always in trouble because they try to simplify problems that require more complex answers.
  • Se is the polar opposite of Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • Ni gets into other people’s perspectives
  • Se worries about what people think of them
  • As long as Se can get people on its side, it doesn’t have to think about managing their goodwill
  • Se needs to surrender to the idea that there is no such thing as a pure function.
  • They have to do the Work.
  • Se needs to remember that some problems are more complicated than they think.
  • As Se gets more seasoned and mature over time, it starts to recognize the law of diminishing returns on simple solutions.
  • Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • The ability to shift perspectives and get into other people’s headspace
  • They also watch their own mind form patterns
  • Ni gets gummed up by sustainability
  • Ni can go so long term that they prevent new experiences from happening if it doesn’t look sustainable
  • Ni fantasy is the idea that reality can be lived internally before it happens.
  • You can have all the answers just by running a simulation
  • That sounds like a lot of work to other people, but it is the native language of INJs.
  • The work is being present and implementing real time.
  • Sjs hide away. NJs conceptualize.
  • INTJ who couldn’t stop talking because he was externalizing his inner dialogue at all times – and none of it made sense to anyone but him.
  • Stream of consciousness talk
  • If he could figure it all out, he could accomplish his dream to be a contributor – showing up in life and engaging.
  • Balance it out and engage with the hear and now.
  • Get away from purist thought and get into the work.
  • Don’t just run a simulation but look for the evidence in front of you, not just the patterns in your mind.
  • What is the sensory evidence? How do people see you?
  • INJs are all steak and no sizzle, but nobody comes to them for the steak because there’s no sizzle.
  • There’s no ability to interface with the world to bring complex solution to complex problems.
  • There’s no bridge.
  • They are just chasing rabbit trails internally.
  • They think the rabbit trails will equate to impact.
  • All four perceiving functions have this desire for excellent ROI without having to put in the work.
  • Work you need to do:
  • Integrate the other side of the polarity and recognize its influence
  • Attach your perceiving function to the other functions in your stack – especially functions of the opposite attitude (E/I)
  • Recognize you have to do the work. You can’t just exist and be amazing.
  • The antidote is the integration of the other side of your polarity.
  • Integration = understanding the importance of something and not pushing it away anymore
  • If an introverted function has you by the balls, integrate an extraverted function – either the polar opposite or the copilot.

In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions. #MBTI #myersbriggs

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  • Hei
    • Hei
    • March 29, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    I also ordered you book while drunk in the middle of the night! Joke aside, I think this episode (and the previous one) was great in order to get a deeper insight to how the functions function. As I INFJ I really recognize this feeling of wanting to figure everything out. It is like I am building an inner map of reality (my understanding of it) that I am using in order to interact with it. I want to be able to fit everything into this complex map were I sort of can see how things are connected. Another fun thing was that I also can se the Se ideal showing up in me in stressed situations in this strong drive to find the simplest solution to problems ahead. I have been taking soo many bad “shortcuts” that just messes things up in those situations.

  • Erica
    • Erica
    • March 9, 2019 at 2:59 am

    INFJ here and I couldn’t help smiling when you got to Ni, where you said for INJs, in particular, the simulation is the reality. It gets in the way of seeing what is actually happening in the present because you have a pre-conceived notion of what is happening or what is supposed to happen.

    What helped me a lot was to think my simulations are not 100% reality and so I have to learn to adjust real-time and then change the simulation based on whatever reality hands me. I guess the difficulty with this is that Ni doesn’t like having to adjust its perspective, but that is probably the kind of work that we have to do: to keep adjusting our perspective in the present and/or based on the present.

  • Tine Putzeys
    • Tine Putzeys
    • March 5, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    The comment about the Ni user in the bar reminded me of one of the Black Mirror episodes, called Hang the DJ. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t watched it, but it seems like the entire episode is about the Ni fantasy as you’ve explained it in this podcast.

  • Tine Putzeys
    • Tine Putzeys
    • March 5, 2019 at 11:58 am

    INTJ here. I also take in massive amounts of content (there’s no such thing as enough, only “battery dead” or “I need to sleep now”).

    However I don’t focus on fantasy, comics etc like the person in the example. I can literally be interesting in anything. I vividly remember spongeing up the info my mecanic date once told me about how a simple car engine works. Or when I’m interested in a guy that happens to play soccer, I will read up on the rules, tactics, history and current events in soccer. Why? I don’t really know. I just do.

    When not researching something specific, I gravitate toward psychology and studying behavior (including animal behavior).

  • Tine Putzeys
    • Tine Putzeys
    • March 5, 2019 at 11:50 am

    “But I already understand everything”. BINGO. This sounds akwardly familiar. I think I also needed to hear that. Say thanks to your boyfriend from me :)

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