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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • In the last podcast, we discussed idealism with the four judging functions
  • Car Model
  • ENTP/ENFP share the same dominant perceiving function – Extraverted Intuition ‘Exploration’ Ne
  • Exploration = endless freedom
  • Always chasing a new shiny object
  • Hard to commit to anything
  • EPs want to keep their options open at all times
  • Purity without having to do any work to gain true mastery
  • ENFPs are better at pretending they are following the rules
  • ENTPs struggle with this because of their Ti – Introverted Thinking
  • ENFPs are good at pretending intimacy with people
  • They don’t like saying yes to things they may feel trapped by later
  • Ne wants to create impact in the world.
  • It wants to see if there is a better way.
  • You can’t create a new norm unless you disrupt what is already there and establish something else.
  • The polar opposite of Extraverted Intuition is Introverted Sensing ‘Memory’ – Si
  • Memory = reviewing memories to get impressions
  • The Ideal for Si is purity for all memories.
  • Many ISJs spend massive amounts of time on detailed creative hobbies that allow them to shut out the world and its many disruptions.
  • ENPs with an inferior Si can choose not to think about the things they don’t want to deal with. Like past trauma.
  • When memories start to come up for SJs they don’t have the choice just to push it away as NPs do.
  • Reviewing sensory experiences is a compulsion for SJs. To not do so causes depression.
  • So they hide or stick to reliable routines.
  • Tried and True vs. Hiding from the world
  • Ne compulsion is perpetually bouncing from one thing to the other
  • Ne requires a foundation to build upon
  • Si requires surrender to change
  • SJs do pattern recognition work, but it is slow because they have to repattern a whole memory
  • Extraverted Sensing ‘Sensation’ Se
  • The idealism for Se is an oversimplified version of everything
  • “There’s an obvious and simple solution for everything; why aren’t we doing it?”
  • Sometimes the obvious solution is the right one. Sometimes it isn’t.
  • Se sees no need to study systems or think of complexities.
  • The world is full of immediate, actionable solutions that everyone else is too obtuse to see.
  • Purity without the work
  • Everybody else is the idiot
  • This is why they are so good at reacting in real time
  • Ne never has to commit
  • Si never has to do anything out of its comfort zone
  • Se never has to figure out the complexity of things behind the curtain
  • “When you have a hammer all the world is a nail.”
  • There is a percentage of problems that people do overcomplicate – but not all of them.
  • ESPs are always in trouble because they try to simplify problems that require more complex answers.
  • Se is the polar opposite of Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • Ni gets into other people’s perspectives
  • Se worries about what people think of them
  • As long as Se can get people on its side, it doesn’t have to think about managing their goodwill
  • Se needs to surrender to the idea that there is no such thing as a pure function.
  • They have to do the Work.
  • Se needs to remember that some problems are more complicated than they think.
  • As Se gets more seasoned and mature over time, it starts to recognize the law of diminishing returns on simple solutions.
  • Introverted Intuition ‘Perspectives’ Ni
  • The ability to shift perspectives and get into other people’s headspace
  • They also watch their own mind form patterns
  • Ni gets gummed up by sustainability
  • Ni can go so long term that they prevent new experiences from happening if it doesn’t look sustainable
  • Ni fantasy is the idea that reality can be lived internally before it happens.
  • You can have all the answers just by running a simulation
  • That sounds like a lot of work to other people, but it is the native language of INJs.
  • The work is being present and implementing real time.
  • Sjs hide away. NJs conceptualize.
  • INTJ who couldn’t stop talking because he was externalizing his inner dialogue at all times – and none of it made sense to anyone but him.
  • Stream of consciousness talk
  • If he could figure it all out, he could accomplish his dream to be a contributor – showing up in life and engaging.
  • Balance it out and engage with the hear and now.
  • Get away from purist thought and get into the work.
  • Don’t just run a simulation but look for the evidence in front of you, not just the patterns in your mind.
  • What is the sensory evidence? How do people see you?
  • INJs are all steak and no sizzle, but nobody comes to them for the steak because there’s no sizzle.
  • There’s no ability to interface with the world to bring complex solution to complex problems.
  • There’s no bridge.
  • They are just chasing rabbit trails internally.
  • They think the rabbit trails will equate to impact.
  • All four perceiving functions have this desire for excellent ROI without having to put in the work.
  • Work you need to do:
  • Integrate the other side of the polarity and recognize its influence
  • Attach your perceiving function to the other functions in your stack – especially functions of the opposite attitude (E/I)
  • Recognize you have to do the work. You can’t just exist and be amazing.
  • The antidote is the integration of the other side of your polarity.
  • Integration = understanding the importance of something and not pushing it away anymore
  • If an introverted function has you by the balls, integrate an extraverted function – either the polar opposite or the copilot.

In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our perceiving cognitive functions. #MBTI #myersbriggs

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  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • March 3, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    I’d definitely agree with that.


  • Helen
    • Helen
    • March 3, 2019 at 7:27 am

    As an Se user, I think the outside view that Se users are not deep thinkers and kinda ‘dumb’ is a misrepresentation of the function. For me, the response in the moment and simple solution is more a calculated response to the issue at hand. Does this particular situation need speedy solutions (Se) or a depth of thought (Fi/Ni)? At it’s best in emergency situations, you can see it’s true power. Moving a child out of a dangerous situation quickly or providing first aid in a health crisis etc. I believe it’s a more conscious decision than other types may realise. Is this worth the time to deeply process or is a quick response and simple solution beneficial now?

  • R
    • R
    • March 1, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    Steph. I would guess INJs would continue to study the present until they could find the answer (pattern). ISJs would continue to review the past in their mind until they could find the patterns. So, really, if an INJ wants to be able to future pace, they’ll have to get out of their head and into the world, to take in real-time sensory feedback. If an ISJ wants to feel certain about what may happen – they would go inward, to their memory bank and expect the past to repeat itself. So they are looking for the pattern of experience. Novel Ne experiences in the outer world would be used to shake up stored patterns and vet them. On the other hand, Se experiences for INJs should solidify the pattern – really, the pattern of patterns.

  • Steph
    • Steph
    • March 1, 2019 at 12:23 am

    Hey Drew, thanks for the examples. But I was more wondering what happens with INFJs when, going through their information, they aren’t able to accurately draw conclusions.

  • Alex
    • Alex
    • February 26, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    I do find your story interesting! I resonate with it because I feel that I was also “forced” to exercise balance— in my case, forced to use my co pilot of exploration rather than rest into the ideal comfort of my tertiary memory. (I moved around the country every 4 months to alternate between semesters of school and full time internships) I think I was fortunate to have had some “forced” growth in that sense, but boy was it hard and my memory fought back for all it was worth, inhibiting my full potential for growth and bringing up lots of crap. (But that’s the reason I found PH, so I guess that’s good :) ).

    Anyhow, I will be transitioning into a new phase of my life that will NOT be forcing me to use exploration in the same way- it will be easy to stay “comfortable” after I graduate. I foresee that the challenge will be (and maybe you will experience this when you leave service) to maintain the balance when no external forces are requiring it. When you said “I don’t have experience getting out” it made me think about the fact that I really haven’t done serious exploration BY CHOICE very much- but because I’ve been forced to. I guess this isn’t specific necessarily to ideals, but could apply to many things.

    I think that the lesson I can take from my forced exploration experience is the fact that now I have experience finding out that it’s never as scary as I think it will be. So when I am left hanging and need to make choices on my own, I can remember that it’s worked before.

    I feel grateful that I had external support in balancing my functions, but in recognizing that, I have to acknowledge that it will require more conscious effort when that support is gone.

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