Podcast – Episode 0265 – Myers-Briggs Judging Function Idealism

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our judging functions.

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In this episode Joel and Antonia talk about the idealism we develop around our judging functions. #myersbriggs #cognitivefunctions #MBTI

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  • Natalie
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    Not at all to positively reinforce “fussiness” regarding sound quality (I didn’t hear any “echo” on this one), but I appreciate your commitment to it! Your content is always great and frequently exceptional… the great production quality puts you over & above others doing podcasts on similar subject matter. I search out podcasts on personality typology and often can’t listen because the sound quality is so bad and such a distraction Ii turn it off. You have a winning combo! Keep up the great work 🙂

  • Alex
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    I feel like you all have definitely talked about introverted thinking in this way before, but maybe it was never so concise, because this podcast was just gold. (and very clearly communciated 🙂 )

    Antonia, you said “as an ENTP I connect based on information– cerebrally– I connect emotionally through a cerebral process, and so the idea of having cerebral disconnection means emotional disconnection.” As an INTP, I needed to be reminded of that clarification at the moment, so thanks– and also, I think that this connection point is where the ideal comes up more strongly for me…

    I’m not so anxious when people misunderstand “what I meant to say”– I mean, I care– I try hard when it is important, and I care deeply about transmission of clear information (I am also a communication designer (aka graphic designer) so it is even my job). I DEFINITELY info dump so that they understand ALLL of it (without thinking that might hurt their comprehension…).

    But I am pretty much zen about it unless it’s particularly important. I’m more interested in the fact that I myself have this beautiful, fun, accurate thought, and if people want to jump into the pool of info dump with me, then all the more fun for both of us. I do this thing all the time where I will ramble and then say “that probably made no sense, but anyways…” because I’ve just come to assume that they only understood half of what I said. And then often they are like “no I got it” and I’m all surprised that I had any coherance haha.

    But that’s where I get into idealism: When I transmit information clearly (success!) it’s like my brain is like **ding ding ding** **emotional connection!** and suddenly I think that this person and I will have this connection forever– that there will never be any discord and this connection will never fail. And then it does. Turns out they don’t want to have a cerebral connection after all, it was just a moment, or a couple of moments.

    On the flip side, if I struggle to connect with a friend because I can’t do it cerebrally the majority of the time (to my satisfaction), I start to resent all of the moments in between. If it’s not cerebral to my satisfaction, I’m grumpy, frustrated with THEM (why can’t THEY come to my side?). And frustrated with MYSELF (why can’t I go over to THEIR side– I just can’t figure out how it works over there!). We are friends, so connection should be effortless and perfect (ideal), and it should all be cerebral (ideal). It doesn’t matter how WELL thoughts are transmitted, but the fact that people even WANT to recieve them in the first place. And in my “ideal’s” view, everyone should WANT to recieve them, because why the hell wouldn’t they?

    Understanding my idealized view of information transmission and emotional connection is very helpful for me right now– It puts recent events into perspective.

    Side note– Antonia, your 10 paragraph oral essays are the reason that I listen, and your constant data refinement is the reason I’ve developed trust for your content. Don’t quit being you; Listening to other NTP (FEMALES!!!!) is not something I get enough of. 🙂 (I’m an NTP female, to clarify)

  • Bradley
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    Okay so for Ti it’s accuracy, not precision.
    For Fi it’s authenticity, not purity.
    For Te it’s effectiveness, not efficiency.
    But what’s the ideal for Fe? Peace? Is there a better one word description of the Idealisation of harmony?

    ~ISFP

    • Alex
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      “Peace” seems reasonable… It’s kind of like there’s a blanket of calm, externally, hiding the real unmet (potentially disruptive) needs beneath it.

    • Mark
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      Peace feels like it muddies the water (IMO) because it can be inner/outer/world/whirled (HA!)

      Harmony denotes a cooperation, which is, from my understanding, what Fe is seeking – the emotional and ultimately social impact decisions have on the WHOLE. Fe is an outside world function. Peace can be either and more subjectively perceived by the individual. Harmony seems like it can be measured externally and more objectively.

      The idea of “How do I get everyone’s needs met?” is not subjective because you have to check-in with the people for whom you’re trying to meet needs. I have trouble imagining someone who uses Fe as a driver (ENFJ/ESFJ) quietly and peacefully meeting needs without doing so. That’s not just peace, IMO.

      For what it’s worth.

    • Antonia Dodge
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      The only word that’s coming up for me is ‘utopia’.

      -A-

      • Alex
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        Ah… I like utopia!

        It implies that not only is everyone cooperating, but they have to cooperate because they are already all on one wavelength. This definitely resonates with me, and reflects something that I was saying in an above comment about my experience of ideals– my harmony 3 year old idealizes that everyone should be on the same wavelength (as me) so that we (I) can feel connected.

      • Jen
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        Utopia is great. I’m an infj and a favorite reminder quote for myself is “You’re not God, this isn’t heaven, don’t be a jerk.” ~ a wise old Jesuit priest (of course… probably an NF!)

  • Michael Puett
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    Dear Antonia,

    As a fellow ENTP I can tell you – you transmit data in the most crystal clear way. A lot of times Joel will say something somewhat ‘fluffy’, then you will repeat it in your own words and it will make so much more sense (sorry Joel, love you man!)

    I think something I have realized is that true communication is the biggest lie ever. Think of a tree. The tree that you have in your head is different than the tree I have in my head. No matter how hard you describe the detail of that tree, it will always be different in my head.

    So I think communication is fun, and important, but it will never be seen by your (or my) perspective.

    Love,
    Michael

    • Antonia Dodge
      Reply

      Yup, I totally agree. Eventually I’ll be totally zen about it. 😛

      -A-

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