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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the difference between the thinking cognitive functions Introverted Thinking vs Extraverted Thinking.


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  • Tom Ferguson

    I found Antonia’s story about the film editing rather informative. I’ve self-typed my best fit type as INTP, but I don’t resonate with her reaction to the information. I don’t think I would have been offended that they gave me wrong information. Once I found out that they were stretching the truth to the extent they were I probably would have made a character judgment of them, a negative one. Yeah the information was wrong, but I would be more offended at their character than the fact that they gave me wrong information. Like, why would anyone ever do that? You’ve just shown yourself to be a dishonest person and will forever be overcoming that perception in my mind.

    The Te explanation was very helpful also as it helped me better understand some of my ETJ friends.

  • Andrew

    Hi. I have really enjoyed these deep dives into the distinction between introverted and extroverted manifestations of the cognitive functions – the kind of podcasts you do best. I hope you can continue this with intuition and sensing!

  • Rob

    Love it

  • Meghan Woods

    I really enjoyed this podcast! I’m ENTJ and my partner is ISTP, and I could absolutely relate to the experience of his sharing information with me, and my having a reaction where I think he’s requesting action of me. It was a big source of stress for a few years in our marriage because we didn’t know how to have a conversation without my being angry at him for changing the plan, when he was actually just sharing some data with me. I’m really looking forward to his listening to this to see if he also relates that information back to that experience in our marriage.

    Also, I particularly liked the section on acceptable and allowable loss. This is something that I hold very tightly and is very important to me in my decision making. This may have been my imagination, but there was one point when Joel was talking about the customer service menu that he seemed to be struggling with explaining the rationale of a Te in the situation where the effectiveness of the automated menu might actually outweigh the lost of a certain percentage of customer satisfaction. It reminded me of a dear dear ENFP friend who also really struggles with my acceptable loss philosophy. We end up in debates where things always turn really dark where I end up saying that there are absolutely situations where a really horrifying human loss is acceptable in exchange for the more effective option (or as Antonia put it, in exchange for a situation where we would all lost in exchange for not sacrificing that smaller group). My ENFP friends says that under no circumstances would that human loss ever be acceptable and there are always other options that don’t involve the human loss that I consider to be acceptable in really extreme situations (purely hypothetical). Anyway, I think this friend has a hard time having respect for me in some ways because we are so fundamentally in conflict over this issue. He doesn’t really show it very much outwardly, but there are little signs of disapproval. And I had to laugh because when Joel was talking about the customer service menu sometimes being defensible as the most effective option, there were times where I wondered if I was picking up on the same slight, unintentional, tone of disapproval because it is so fundamentally against his Fi.

    Thank you again for a wonderful podcast! It was a great source of information and really useful to me!

    • Chandra


      It’s true that effectiveness is important and can require some sacrifices at times. However, over time, the human element is one of those things that can mess up the pretty numbers when it’s not taken seriously enough. I was friends with an ENTJ who was hired to manage a company to get it back on track. He was a badass in meeting and exceeding the numbers, but his lack of emotional intelligence (rather, his lack of utilizing the emotional intelligence he actually had) caused such a tank in morale that the company started suffering in another way. He was fired. And he went into a deep depression over it. He just couldn’t understand why he’d failed when he’d “succeeded.”
      If he’d had an NF assistant giving input (to balance Te with F), perhaps he could have implemented his plans WITHOUT making life difficult for everyone else (and, ultimately, himself as well).
      The most recent neuroscience is pointing to how, “We are not thinking creatures who feel, but, rather, feeling creatures who think.” (See Dr. Barrett’s new book, How Emotions Are Made.) What your friend knows is that things can get messy in a hurry, and “good” results can suffer in the long run, when the human element is ignored. Often, things go better overall when T and F team up.

      • Meghan Woods

        I think your example is the perfect cautionary tale. There are a lot of ways this could have been avoided, and teaming up with an F would be a very effective one.

  • Lukaswithak

    I love, Love, loved this podcast. I enjoy these comparing and contrasting of cognitive functions like this. I have two TPs in my life (ENTP & ESTP), and they love clean data. I feel a close connection to them as an INFJ. I have some friends who are TJs (ISTJs & ENTJ), but understanding them has been more challenging. It’s interesting to see how they don’t share as much data in case someone weaponizes it. That makes total sense to me after observing people in the wild. Thanks for the good podcast guys!

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