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In this episode, Joel and Antonia chat with enneagram expert Dr. Beatrice Chestnut about her experience with Myers-Briggs® at the Personality Hacker Profiler Training live event.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Guest host Dr. Beatrice Chestnut joins.
- Beatrice’s experiences as an Enneagram expert diving deeper into Myers-Briggs® at our Profiler Training live event.
- How does Beatrice initially think the two systems may correspond?
- The complexities of matching up the two systems – and why this isn’t simply a 1-1 correlation.
- What was it like for Beatrice to be profiled live on stage?
- The additional insight Beatrice gained through understanding her Myers-Briggs® type at a deeper level.
- What are some more challenges of merging the two systems?
- How do some of the enneagram types initially seem to match up with the cognitive function descriptions?
- The correspondences Joel and Antonia have found between their Myers-Briggs® and Enneagram types.
- Why is it possible that the two systems match up more closely in their “prescription” than in their “description”?
- How the instinctual variations of the Enneagram types bring additional nuance.
- Diving deeper into how the systems align – plus how the functions lower in our stack could align with our Enneagram type.
- A note on finding growth paths – the power of discovering your type in both systems.
- Find Dr. Beatrice Chestnut at https://cpenneagram.com
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Well, that is the thing. 5 has a 7 and an 8 mixed in there as well and people will often misidentify as a 1 or a 9 often.
I think the best way to look at it is what is your base fear and motivation? If you can identify with the core fears and motivations of a certain number, you are that number plus a wing. You won’t identify with it all (I am a social 5 and I have a lot of 4 traits to me as well as 6), but you want to find that one thing that just sort of clicks.
Hi William,
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
You may be right about the Fi position on the function stack being a factor. I will say my priorities are pretty clear. It’s rare that I do not know what I want because I straight up LOVE journaling, planning and goal setting. But I definitely find myself gummed up on execution.
I once read that perfectionism is for scared people and people pleasing is for liars. Ouch.
It’s true. I’m perfectionistic because I am afraid of other people’s judgement, or inadvertently hurting someone (and the subsequent emotional beatdown I give myself afterwards.) I try to please other people because nothing feels ickier to me than feeling inconsiderate, often at the expense of being honest. Those both sound like underdeveloped “Authenticity” issues to me. They also sound like Enneagram 9 issues. But I have met a couple of people who consider themselves to be INFP Enneagram 9s, so perhaps that’s where nuance comes in.
Thanks again, an outside (considerate! lol) perspective is always appreciated.
This was a good episode and a good way to introduce people to the enneagram, but I think it really did only touch on the surface regarding the actual enneagram’s ability to tie into type. I’ve commented on a few other comments about the wings and the positive and negative growth influences, but those really do play a key as well when you are looking at your enneagram and comparing to your MBTI.
For example, I am an INFJ and I am also a 5 with a dominant 4 wing. I also can drift into using the other wing, which is a 6, but I really struggle with it. When I am being growth oriented, I can look a little more like an 8, but I will always have a 5 to influence what I do as my core. When I am struggling, I will look more like a 7, but still have a 5 influence to it.
It sounds like a lot of numbers to remember, but it also gets you more comfortable as to why a majority of you is over on one number while some of your other traits are on another number in most cases.
Instead of thinking of the enneagram as a single number, think of it more as a combination lock. Multiple numbers that will be used to unlock that thinking pattern a bit more.
Great episode and looking forward to hearing more about what you are planning to do next!
It is actually the base number that is giving me trouble figuring out. The complexities of how the wings and instinctual variants are suppose to work make theoretical sense to me, but as far as which of my various motivations is the core or most predominant driver I am not sure. There are aspects of the 5, 7, 8 & 1 that all ring very true and other key pieces that don’t and are contradictory to that type and not in a pattern that the wings or instinctual variants can account for that I can see. It seems rather situational for me which type tendencies/hang-ups I favor as coping strategies. I suppose the system still does have have very useful lessons for the individual tendencies I can grab from the various parts of the types I identify with even if the whole map for growth part is less useful without being able to find the ‘you are here’ pin.
I apologize for that LONG post. I pasted it in Word to save so I wouldn’t lose it and realized it was a literal 4-page essay (Arial 12, single-spaced)…
It’s awaiting moderation, and if it’s way too long, you can remove it. There should be no way I shouldn’t be able to pare it down.