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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the gratitude they’ve found for their religious upbringing.
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Oh, I also wanted to say that I would love to hear you guys talk sometime about what you do to pass the gifts you received from your respective religions on to your children outside of that paradigm. That wad a question that I wanted to ask as I listened. I started wondering if my kids were missing out on some of those things, since we aren’t part of religious community, or if our embodiment of the things we value is what really matters.
I also miss the community aspect of religion, the church as a place to organize for good, to develop deep friendships, to connect to ways to serve…I have found those things in other ways, but it is so convenient to do it from within a framework like a church. It seems like you are developing some of that through PH, which is pretty cool. And maybe that’s some of the great energy you get from the live trainings. Kind of like the energy I got from church youth conventions where we made a prayer circle and held hands and sang and people saw angels. You’re creating something akin to that, just maybe minus the prayers, but with the same level of energy and feeling. And I really couldn’t say one way or another about the angels. ?Hey guys, thanks for this show! I think I have treasured and retained certain aspects of my religious upbringing, though I lost my belief for it years ago. And I’ve certainly critiqued it and blamed it for certain things, like shame and guilt around certain things. But I don’t think I’ve really practiced gratitude for it and the gifts it gave me. It has felt good to spend some time in gratitude, and even, to feel permission to do that. I resonate with the scriptures you quoted as well, and went for a walk filled with love, joy, and peace after listening. So you guys sowed some good seeds. ❤️❤️❤️
Your sermon sounds like it will be helpful to people in your congregation to accept their unique wiring. :)
I was raised in a religion that most mainline Christians consider a cult, but which prized reading the Bible. So I ended up reading it three times through. Once from Matthew to Malachi (it was easiest to start with the Greek scriptures), then in chronological order, finally from Genesis to Revelation. Of course, that doesn’t account for years of study projects and reading my favorite books many more times than that. (I must have read 1 and 2 Samuel a dozen times, Lamentations only the three times.)
Since it’s been 10+ years, I’m admittedly losing a lot of recall.
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I feel exactly the same way. My personal metaphor is salmon swimming upstream, but it’s the same sentiment.
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Really appreciated this episode. I am a Christian and a preacher, and I have done a lot of study to better myself and the congregation I serve since discovering practical, growth-focused typology @ PH a couple of years ago. It has especially helped me recognize where I have not valued the cognitive functions and perspectives of others in my teaching and example.
I find it interesting how you associate different religions with different types. Our congregation I would say leans SJ (Fe/Te/Si) with a heavy dose of Ti from my influence (INTP). An outside viewer would probably describe us as kind and traditional with an ability to reason and defend our faith. The problem, though, is that we have not valued Fi/Se/Ni as much in my opinion. Did I mention my wife is an ISFP?! She has really helped me widen my perspective as we’ve gotten closer after both learning our type preferences.
I have a sermon series I have been working on that preaches the value of the perspective of each cognitive function. The premise is that if type is at least partly inborn, and if we are created by God in His image with purpose, then His nature and His righteousness should be able to be reflected and valued in all types. It’s been a very valuable study for myself, and I hope it will make a difference for my congregation.
BTW, Antonia, if you were calling out and quoting scripture from memory, that was impressive. May I ask what type/denomination of church you and Joel came from? His sounds heavily Calvinistic, but I can’t tell for you. (I am a member of a church of Christ.)