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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about why the world needs Introverted Sensing (nicknamed “Memory”).
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Joel’s concern about the sound quality of the podcasts may be his Introverted Sensing (Si) wanting to make sure things are captured well for posterity
- Joel’s grandfather collected important pieces of his and his family’s past and preserved them beautifully.
- Once he died though, all the treasures were divided up and sold.
- We can’t guarantee that future generations will value the things we value.
- Antonia worries that she doesn’t have the required documentation to prove she is an expert in the field she teaches. This may also be how her Si shows up
- Joel likes tracking information so he can see the timeline of his growth and development.
- Si sees paperwork as binding and authoritative
- Systems breaking down can be upsetting to Si.
- It’s interesting to come face to face with your inferior function and recognize all the ways we are influenced by it and repelled by it.
- Si inferior can come up as an encouragement to pause and consider safety.
- Is it okay to do this?
- “If you’re disciplined and diligent, it should be okay.”
- “Be responsible.”
- Those thoughts are more familiar with Si higher in the stack.
- Si brings beautiful things.
- The world desperately needs good quality Introverted Sensing.
- Pacing is essential for Si users.
- Si is an amazing steward of the past.
- We have an unhealthy addiction to novelty today.
- Young people are untethered from history.
- “Every recall is a reframe.”
- There is no such thing as an unbiased account of history, but that doesn’t mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- Burning of Alexandria – how much further along would we be if that library hadn’t been burned?
- It is hard to understate the importance of time binding and passing info on to future generations.
- We think we don’t need to bind info anymore because the internet stores it for us.
- But there is a difference between passing info and accessing info.
- Passing info brings reverence with it.
- Most of what we have given to us we don’t know what to do with because we don’t have the proper context.
- Si is how we don’t repeat our past failures.
- If we didn’t have memories, we wouldn’t be human.
- Some people think that If we buy into the history, we have to buy into the narrative.
- “Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.”
- It feels like Si is under attack in our world now.
- It’s not going to go well for us if we choose to ignore the lessons we have learned, like vaccination.
- Rites of passage are necessary to teach future generations the lessons learned by previous generations.
- Si is trying to acclimate to a culture that is requiring more extraverted intuition than ever before.
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The deader sound is only slightly noticeable. One thing I have always noted to myself is that there seems to be too much bass in the recording of Antonia’s voice, as played back on my system anyways. It could use a bit more of what electric guitarists call “presence”. Joel has always sounded quite well balanced to me in here.
I really resonated with a lot of this podcast. As an ENFP, I definitely have Si as my blind spot but that’s juxtaposed against a deep reverence and love of history and knowledge regarding the past. I often joke about my own tendencies to act rather anally about the past. I’m someone who really cares about historical accuracy and the preservation of the past. It emotionally pains me on a level some probably find ridiculous to see knowledge and information about the past destroyed.
History is definitely not valued. I’m currently about 3/4ths of the way done a Bachelor’s Degree in history. I go to a small school to begin with, but the number of history and history education students is very small. Albeit, there are people who enjoy history that chose to focus on other things in higher education. But it’s something people either don’t enjoy studying academically (understandable) or it’s something they are actively told not to study. And this devalues the importance of the past.
I find Si though can relate to history, even when it’s in the tertiary or inferior position. Quite a few of my professors appear to be NPs of some variety.
I’m a person who is interested in history in a variety of contexts. When people ask me about history, my answer is “Everything.” But I think my main desire in regards to preserving the past essentially boils down to the injustices. Over the past several months, I’ve really found a niche for myself in disability history and the historical treatment of those considered to be disabled and/or “insane.”
Even if I can’t change what happened to these people and justice cannot exactly be delivered, I feel there’s a symbolic justice in fostering awareness and ensuring these horrific acts do not happen again.
Then again, I have had the benefit of being raised by parents who actively encouraged my interests in history. From the time I was a small child, my parents would take me to historical landmarks. Not every child growing up has that experience though. I was fortunate to have parents who valued all forms of education and were genuinely interested in learning about past events as well.
So over the course of my life, I’ve learned to appreciate not only my own instincts and traits associated with Si, but the Si present in others as well. Ne tends to sometimes eschew tradition and order in the favor of new possibilities, and I admittedly have my own anti-establishment streak. One of my best friends who I’ve known for years is an ESFJ. Compared to a lot of people in my generation, her ideals for her own life are very focused on more socially conservative, traditional ideas of concepts like gender and family. When I first started to get to know her at about the age of 14, these traits really confused me. But she’s helped me over time to see the value in tradition and maintaining a sense of familial and social order. And although I have a rather strained extended family situation that I prefer to ignore, that doesn’t make these bonds for other people less profoundly meaningful and important. Other people have helped me recognize this as well, if course, but that’s been something powerful in our friendship for me personally. It’s the sort of dynamic where we mentally have considerably different approaches, but can value, hold space from, and learn from the other. It’s important to have those sort of connections.
Oh, and Antonia, I also think being a citizen informed about government is super important even if you don’t plan on working in the government. I don’t think I would be so convinced of it if I had not been convinced by my 11th grade history teacher to take the Advanced Placement Government course he was teaching. I’m also now most of the way finished with a minor in political science, even though I’m way too indecisive to be in that sort of leadership role. I think I’d also be a persistent pain in the butt for both major parties due to my aforementioned anti-establishment streak. I really have a hard time finding any value in political parties.
And Joel, it’s absolutely valid that you want to take time to prepare yourself before discussing your personal story in such a public manner. It is so important to be comfortable in yourself when revealing personal information. I have the tendency to do what I call “word vomiting,” and just over share personal struggles I have had when I might not feel like I’m really in a place to do so.