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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the unique social challenges facing NT women personality types (INTJ – INTP – ENTP – ENTJ).
In this podcast you’ll find:
- The common thread between the INTJ, INTP, ENTP and ENTJ female types.
- Your double hit of being Intuitive and a Thinker as a woman.
- What are common challenges NT women deal with?
- Why are their challenges not talked about much?
- Why you are under-represented as an NT woman.
- What do you do when you don’t show up according to societal expectations?
- The overtime NT women put in trying to meet others where they are at.
- Why do NT women keep facing exhaustion and social failure?
- How much energy do you use trying to be more feminine?
- How being told “you’re the problem” affects NT women.
- Why is sisterhood so valued by you, yet often elusive?
- The blending mask that NT women wear.
- What happens when that mask comes off?
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The damaging strategy cycles NT women go through.
- The ENTP woman’s strategies to alleviate offense.
- Why an ENTJ woman diminishes her strong energy.
- The ego hits INTJ and INTP women take from fitting in.
- Why you feel so alone in your female NT challenges.
- How you feel unstoppable inside yet self-diminish socially.
- Why the NT woman’s cure is worse than the disease.
- Overidentifying with your wiring and the drama triangle.
- How do you navigate through your wounds?
- Becoming a bridge through your masculine and feminine energy.
- How you come off in your emotional and thought labor.
- How can camaraderie help you?
- Ways you can grow as an NT woman.
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This was quite interesting. I am an INFJ and my mother is an ENTP (I guess from the describtion given in this podcast). The energy comes before her when she enters a room, she is more concerned by things being right than feeling right. The complication you describe in social connections are also relatable. I also feel like I have been carrying her problems along with my own. And that leads to me relating to many of the problems you describe IN ADDITION to my own, INFJ stuff.. You gave me a lot to think about and sorting out. Thank you!!
I just wanted to share my appreciation with you all, since I have been a long time listener to the podcast and have enjoyed your book as well.
This (and part 2, about being an NT mom) has so accurately described my experience in my professional life as well (I work in health care…surrounded by feeler women). I have a psych degree so I have been familiar with and aware of my type (INTP) for many years but it was only a couple of years ago after discovering the podcast when I really started digging deep into my type. I have slowly pivoted from my job in health care into where I feel I truly belong – academia. So far so good….and my PhD supervisor is an INTJ so I am literally in heaven.
It feels so nice to be understood… I nearly cried. Does this mean my NT card is revoked lol.
To reference what I’m talking about and none of you are alone in this, as NT men experienced this too with women.
https://www.thefemininewoman.com/gaslighting-in-relationships/
https://hackspirit.com/toxic-femininity/
https://psychcentral.com/lib/narcissistic-personality-disorder-vs-normal-narcissism/
I realize that maybe being an INTJ that, my more secure attachment type may attract more anxious types or people to me that want what I have in terms of personality traits and or want to possess me or control me.
I do tend to enjoy my independence and like my alone time, however I still desire companionship, but what seems to be out there leaves me wanting more in terms of more compatible people in my life. What interests me is NTs mostly but I experienced an INTP that was trying to manipulate me and maybe I missed the emotional cues as Meredith pointed out that I don’t have an advantage being male and likely came off as neglectful or too aloof. So I’m just curious as I’m not an NT woman if there still exists a possibility that they may take the manipulative route to get what they want from someone or get their needs met, when for me it would be better if it was asked for in a more direct way or even alluded to subtly without all the manipulation or game playing type of behavior.
I apologize for the typos, my laptop deletes words for some reason.
Hey Mere. I think this depends on whether a NT is healthy or not too. I’ve read a study years ago that returning soldiers from the war front that were TJ’s especially had a harder time with PTSD then their feeler counter parts. One idea I had was that feelers since they tend to process think their emotions are able to process their emotions better than a thinker. So I would conclude that perhaps subconsciously feelers are less likely to remain victims over the long haul where as thinkers may have as evidenced by some of the comments here, a harder time processing their emotions and inadvertently remain victims.
One of the things I know from being a Judger is that we tend to need closure for things where as a perceiver may leave things to chance or not really care if things are complete or not, especially thoughts, feelings, events, life, etc.
My question(s) are… Has anyone here experienced or been guilty of toxic femininity? Had people try to manipulate your emotions, or have you tried to manipulate others as an NT to get what you want or try to collect information about another person feels especially another NT?
That is a good question and something I ponder alot. I can only answer for me, and that is, that I have NO issue with boundaries because I can say NO. i’m guessing Feelers have a harder time saying no because they don’t want to hurt other people’s feelings.